takes no time at all to change. my computer is more stable, runs faster and less system strain. things actually work like hdr, and sound management. no more PS4 controller becoming my computer’s speakers because I plugged it in and the os thinking it knows best. no more weird green tint because I turned hdr on. there’s a plethora of things that just work but wouldnt in windows.
after using Linux for about a week now… I honestly can’t think of a reason why I didn’t do this years ago. microsoft is just bad
Was the PS controller as a speaker a Windows thing? Damn that drove me crazy. At least for me it was so intermittent that when it did pop up it was absolutely maddening. So happy I’ve moved on from Windows.
I’m on Linux, but for Work I’m sometimes on Windows, and our teams calls are everyone trying to fix their sound because even with saved settings on which device to use Windows decides to change that for you.
I’m betting the Bluetooth ID given by the controller advertises that it is a speaker, and Windows is assuming a newly connected speaker is where the person wants to output audio. I mean, why else would you connect a speaker? /s
Fun fact: The PS5 controller also includes a microphone. My circle didn’t know a hot mic was listening in on everything until we noticed background audio in one of our captures.
Offtop, but did you make speakers and/or headphone jack on your controller work over BT in Linux? When mine (albeit a PS4 knock-off gamepad) is wirelessly connected, it’s not shown in audio devices at all.
have not, didn’t even try tbh. I don’t want audio coming from my controller. id prefer of the thing didn’t even have a speaker or mic jack on it, but thankfully Linux is smart enough to know I’m capable of managing my own devices.
For me it was like: well, since it is here and it’s paid for, where’s this damn thing? I see a thin usecase of playing from the couch with wired headphones at night.
Seems like it’s proprietary drivers use speakers when it shouldn’t, and doesn’t use when I could’ve used them. Two shots, all missed.
Maybe you can help me. I would just like to dabble in it. Can I duel boot from the same drive my windows is in? can it access my storage drives as is, or do I have to completely reformat those and dedicate them to linux?
You can dual boot but would highly recommend that you have a separate Windows SSD. Microsoft likes to dick around with the boot loader and bricking the ability to dual boot.
I am still dual booting myself with a small SSD for the rare occasion I want to run a game that isn’t supported on Linux but honestly I haven’t done that in over half a year now so Windows just kinda sits they taking to 200 GB of space.
You can run games from your windows drives but it’s better not to, it can cause weird issues because of the way files are stored (case sensitive vs insensitive, permissions etc.)
One other point: if you just want to dabble, you don’t actually need to install Linux. Many (if not most) Linux distributions can be booted from a USB drive as what they call a “Live USB”.
I mean in a way the community tries to help the person realize they are suffering unnecessary pain by a mega corp, just its usually the wrong approach or a toxic one.
From a low pressure sales perspective the community should be phrasing it as questions that make the Windows user think about.
Like:
if you stay on Windows what issues will you still face?
Would moving to Linux solve those issues? Would the change over period be a roadblock, or can you see benefits you would gain.
I think it’s the “minimum effort required” barring people from switching. How much they can be complacent and tolerate the bullshit of a hostile OS they are used to.
Since Windows users will email photos to themselves to put it on another computer, instead of clicking share folder, I’d say you are correct on complacency and minimum effort.
From a low pressure sales perspective the community should be phrasing it as questions that make the Windows user think about.
Even aside from this, I think the bigger issue is that Linux evangelists need to be open to new/ignorant users, and casual users. So much of the Linux community is made up of die-hards who expect other users to be just as invested in it as they are. For example, I’ve tried Linux twice, and both times ran into issues with support for hardware (audio issues the first time, lack of support for my mouse the second). In both cases, I have a significant number of people making absurd suggestions, and expecting me to devote significant amounts of work or money to make my PC functional when I already had a functional OS. Comments to the point of, “just buy new hardware,” “just program the drivers yourself,” or “just hire someone to write the software for you.” were a significant part of the response. Unless Linux is my job or my hobby, these are not realisitc suggestions, and they make Linux look like a nerdy hobby rather than a Windows competitor.
Yeah Linux users can be like overzealous sport parents.
Side note if you do run into hardware issues that is not as simple as installing a package, my suggestion is try another distro. And I have had zealous users get mad at this, but I went through the same situation. I have a 2010 laptop it would not run any Debian based distro or offshoots, and I tried 8-10. They all fail during install with error, or install then and fail to boot with bios/hardware bug. So I tried Fedora and OpenSuSE and those had no problems (rpm based). So whatever was in Debian mainline and trickle down could not deal with the bug. But Fedora and SUSE gave a warning of “BIOS bug, working around it” and boot fine. Oddly enough NixOS works also.
When I described this before, I did have a slew of people saying “you just don’t know what your doing”, or " Debian isn’t the issue here". Lol. Clearly I know enough to attempt 12 or more Linux installs, and having no Debian distros work does mean Debian is the issue.
Hijacking this to voice my frustration with audio software developers’ outright refusal to support Linux. I know there are a few solutions, but it’s like learning a new instrument and it’s hard to find motivation as it is.
Honestly the thing stopping me is I enjoy macOS. As soon as Apple enshitifies - imo they haven’t yet - I’m making the switch. But that’s only for my daily driver. Anything SSH I use runs Linux.
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takes no time at all to change. my computer is more stable, runs faster and less system strain. things actually work like hdr, and sound management. no more PS4 controller becoming my computer’s speakers because I plugged it in and the os thinking it knows best. no more weird green tint because I turned hdr on. there’s a plethora of things that just work but wouldnt in windows.
after using Linux for about a week now… I honestly can’t think of a reason why I didn’t do this years ago. microsoft is just bad
Was the PS controller as a speaker a Windows thing? Damn that drove me crazy. At least for me it was so intermittent that when it did pop up it was absolutely maddening. So happy I’ve moved on from Windows.
I’m on Linux, but for Work I’m sometimes on Windows, and our teams calls are everyone trying to fix their sound because even with saved settings on which device to use Windows decides to change that for you.
I’ve given up on trying to configure Teams audio, it’ll just reset next update so why even try?
I found the WebEx Team app was really good.
Don’t PlayStation controllers have a speaker built in? Not making excuses for Windows, but that might be related to why it gets confused.
I’m betting the Bluetooth ID given by the controller advertises that it is a speaker, and Windows is assuming a newly connected speaker is where the person wants to output audio. I mean, why else would you connect a speaker? /s
Fun fact: The PS5 controller also includes a microphone. My circle didn’t know a hot mic was listening in on everything until we noticed background audio in one of our captures.
they do, but the operating system should be asking me if I want to do something… not just do it without me agreeing or initiating it.
Offtop, but did you make speakers and/or headphone jack on your controller work over BT in Linux? When mine (albeit a PS4 knock-off gamepad) is wirelessly connected, it’s not shown in audio devices at all.
have not, didn’t even try tbh. I don’t want audio coming from my controller. id prefer of the thing didn’t even have a speaker or mic jack on it, but thankfully Linux is smart enough to know I’m capable of managing my own devices.
For me it was like: well, since it is here and it’s paid for, where’s this damn thing? I see a thin usecase of playing from the couch with wired headphones at night.
Seems like it’s proprietary drivers use speakers when it shouldn’t, and doesn’t use when I could’ve used them. Two shots, all missed.
I’m being the numbers are pumped up by Deck users who aren’t really using Linux for desktop use.
The extra 20% they knocked off a couple months ago probably helped boost those numbers too
I’m part of these stats thanks to Lemmy, thanks guys!
Good job M$ by killing Win10!
W10 still has higher market share than Linux and most of the decrease can be seen in the W11 increase.
Daily Debian since 2015, zero regrets.
There are dozens of
usthem!Sorry I don’t daily drive Linux, but I hate windows and I use neovim. Can I get a pass?
What’s stopping you?
Edit: Not trying to evangelise, gods I hate that about the Linux community. Just trying to see if I can help in any way.
Maybe you can help me. I would just like to dabble in it. Can I duel boot from the same drive my windows is in? can it access my storage drives as is, or do I have to completely reformat those and dedicate them to linux?
You can dual boot but would highly recommend that you have a separate Windows SSD. Microsoft likes to dick around with the boot loader and bricking the ability to dual boot.
I am still dual booting myself with a small SSD for the rare occasion I want to run a game that isn’t supported on Linux but honestly I haven’t done that in over half a year now so Windows just kinda sits they taking to 200 GB of space.
I’m out of rack space for another drive but I guess I can try on a portable one.
Would steam be able to see my existing games or do I have to redownload them?
You can run games from your windows drives but it’s better not to, it can cause weird issues because of the way files are stored (case sensitive vs insensitive, permissions etc.)
Your windows drive would be fine, Linux side you’d need to download then again.
One other point: if you just want to dabble, you don’t actually need to install Linux. Many (if not most) Linux distributions can be booted from a USB drive as what they call a “Live USB”.
Here’s how to do it for Ubuntu: https://tutorials.ubuntu.com/tutorial/tutorial-create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
The process is similar for other distros. I tried several this way before I decided to install one that I really liked.
It is better to install it on separate drives and use bios to select the drive you want to boot from.
I mean in a way the community tries to help the person realize they are suffering unnecessary pain by a mega corp, just its usually the wrong approach or a toxic one.
From a low pressure sales perspective the community should be phrasing it as questions that make the Windows user think about.
Like:
if you stay on Windows what issues will you still face?
Would moving to Linux solve those issues? Would the change over period be a roadblock, or can you see benefits you would gain.
I think it’s the “minimum effort required” barring people from switching. How much they can be complacent and tolerate the bullshit of a hostile OS they are used to.
Since Windows users will email photos to themselves to put it on another computer, instead of clicking share folder, I’d say you are correct on complacency and minimum effort.
Even aside from this, I think the bigger issue is that Linux evangelists need to be open to new/ignorant users, and casual users. So much of the Linux community is made up of die-hards who expect other users to be just as invested in it as they are. For example, I’ve tried Linux twice, and both times ran into issues with support for hardware (audio issues the first time, lack of support for my mouse the second). In both cases, I have a significant number of people making absurd suggestions, and expecting me to devote significant amounts of work or money to make my PC functional when I already had a functional OS. Comments to the point of, “just buy new hardware,” “just program the drivers yourself,” or “just hire someone to write the software for you.” were a significant part of the response. Unless Linux is my job or my hobby, these are not realisitc suggestions, and they make Linux look like a nerdy hobby rather than a Windows competitor.
Those are all terrible suggestions lol.
Yeah Linux users can be like overzealous sport parents.
Side note if you do run into hardware issues that is not as simple as installing a package, my suggestion is try another distro. And I have had zealous users get mad at this, but I went through the same situation. I have a 2010 laptop it would not run any Debian based distro or offshoots, and I tried 8-10. They all fail during install with error, or install then and fail to boot with bios/hardware bug. So I tried Fedora and OpenSuSE and those had no problems (rpm based). So whatever was in Debian mainline and trickle down could not deal with the bug. But Fedora and SUSE gave a warning of “BIOS bug, working around it” and boot fine. Oddly enough NixOS works also.
When I described this before, I did have a slew of people saying “you just don’t know what your doing”, or " Debian isn’t the issue here". Lol. Clearly I know enough to attempt 12 or more Linux installs, and having no Debian distros work does mean Debian is the issue.
People.
Hijacking this to voice my frustration with audio software developers’ outright refusal to support Linux. I know there are a few solutions, but it’s like learning a new instrument and it’s hard to find motivation as it is.
Honestly the thing stopping me is I enjoy macOS. As soon as Apple enshitifies - imo they haven’t yet - I’m making the switch. But that’s only for my daily driver. Anything SSH I use runs Linux.
I’m just glad you have an up-to-date OS that works for you and that you enjoy. :)