My money’s on Asus. Asus is a bit more mainstream than Nothing but still enough of an underdog that I think they should see the value in a partnership. They already target an enthusiast niche with the ROG line.
The Nothing Phone 3 uses an SD 8s Gen 4, which is not Qualcomm’s “flagship” SOC, and it would be stretching the definition of “major” OEM, but who knows? This seems the most likely after Asus.
Moto’s only flagship Snapdragon phone is the Razr Ultra, which I guess is possible. It’d be weird, but hey, I’d buy one.
OnePlus has been moving in the opposite direction for years now, locking things down more and more. I think they’re too big for their britches at this point.
Sony’s flagships are crazy expensive, well beyond the price of Pixels. They also don’t cover the US market, though I’m not sure how important that is to the Graphene devs.
HMD doesn’t make any phones with flagship SOCs. I think their best is the Skyline, with a 7s gen 2, Qualcomm’s fourth-tier SOC line (the “s” stands for shitty).
Fairphone doesn’t use flagship Snapdragons and GOS has had some pretty nasty things to say about them in the past.
Samsung is a pipe dream. They’d have no motivation. The entire GOS user base would be a rounding error to them.
On a global scale, Xiaomi would be a huge get. Not sure I see any of the Chinese OEMs focusing on this though.
Honestly can’t imagine any chinese manufacturer partnering with a free and open Android OS. Even though it would be cool, since their phones usually have decent hardware
What did they say about Fairphone? As far as I know, Fairphone doesn’t provide patches as frequently as it should. I mean, thats not great, but it’s not “nasty.”
Asus would be nice, I’ve liked most of the zenphones but either didn’t support my carrier/bands or something like that or they stopped allowing bootloader unlocking which is why I didn’t think they’d be on the list but this would be a great way to jump back in as an option for enthusiasts.
Also would love for it to be RAZR, I really want one but also want GrapheneOS but hesitant to buy a pixel.
I would love to put Graphene on a Xiaomi device, even more, I’d love to put them on Huawei phones, but afaik those ones don’t have an unlocked bootloader.
It’s not marketing speak because GrapheneOS didn’t say it. It’s a bad headline from a site known for bad reporting. GrapheneOS has been talking about this for months and there’s nothing new in this article that wasn’t already out there.
No need to defend it. It was obviously a comment on the headline; I didn’t care who wrote it - the criticism was directed at whomever vomited it up. Tech publications are as much uncritical PR agencies for tech companies as the latter’s marketroids are.
I was trying to clarify, not defend. It is absolute garbage and this article as a whole is a pile of nothing, written in a weird breathless style like they just discovered something. Thumbs down to this shit all around.
Great, it went well! I’m still in doubt about some OnePlus devices. Do you think those with OxygenOS are safe? Quick, please, I can’t hold my breath much longer!
Break free, implying they won’t support Pixels anymore (is how I interpreted it at first anyway), but they are simply expanding support for more devices. 👍
For existing Pixel users, GrapheneOS plans to maintain support for current devices until their end-of-life dates. The team is working on adding Pixel 10 support, though the timeline remains unclear. Whether they’ll support Pixel 11 and beyond hasn’t been decided yet.
I hope they also enhance their social media strategy, as their unprofessional and aggressive way of communication makes me question their trustworthiness more than I want, as I think the project is awesome.
Yep. They need an actual comms professional. I love GOS and am forever grateful to the team but having a bunch of non-nuero-typical devs speaking for them is not doing them any favours.
They shit on other projects all the time (frequently unprovoked, sometimes without the original conversation having anything to do about security). They also often reply with multiple posts with multiple paragraphs each when shitting on other projects. It shouldn’t take very long to find an example if you trawl through their replies on Twitter, Bluesky, or Mastodon.
They have good points, but they’re often either not relevant to the conversation or worded in such a way that it sounds like every project other than GrapheneOS is dogshit.
They also sometimes go on (IMO) paranoid rants about XYZ project systematically trying to destroy them or whatever.
I got the same vibes when they describe in detail how supposedly terrible Firefox on Android is for security. I actually didn’t believe them just based on the tone.
I mean, I think they’re right that the security is worse. I’m pretty sure it’s worse on desktop too, just not nearly as bad. Last I checked, Firefox on Android still doesn’t do per-site process isolation by default, for example.
For me, it would be the opposite. Their “unprofessional” and aggressive way of communications makes me think they are doing it for convictions rather then personal benefits. The person that’s helping you doesn’t need to be overly polite. The person trying to get something out of you does.
I got heavily attacked for basically nothing like a year ago, which made me feel really bad and I still think about it frequently. Whoever treats people like this does not gain a lot of trust from me. Also such impulsiveness should not be involved in such a project. No one needs to be overly polite but also not that hostile against people and like 90% of other projects out there.
Sorry, maybe I just did not see how bad it gets. I don’t follow their communications in detail. I wanted to say that being a bit aggressive is fine, but if it was really to the point of attacking you, than that is not ok either.
The phone is fully designed, engineered, tested, built, and firmware written in China… Pei just has his marketing office in the UK so he can claim it as a UK company. Maybe they give some aesthetic design direction in the UK too. Pei has a history of lying to make his companies seem like something they aren’t.
(Though they did have a couple of software job postings up recently, so maybe they are trying to slowly change that and do some of the software in the UK)
But the principle of an ODM is that the company lets another company completely design, manufacture, etc… Their product and then they paste their name on at the end and sell it as their own, which is why the design is often identical, because it is a reference design with a couple tweaks.
Like 99% of the cheap smart watches do this, as well as the Nothing CMF line. The non-flagship HMD line historically did this, maybe it changed in the last couple generations have changed it?
I am still rocking my Xperia 5ii. The fingerprint sensor stopled working after 2 years completely (a known problem that persists to newer models and it is thought to be a hardware problem, but it doesn’t happen on any other phone with a power button fingerprint reader and booting in safemode and back or a phone reset to factory can fix it for a short time, so I think it is planned obsolence in firmware), the software support only lasted 2 years (1 android upgrade IIRC, I am on 12), and the battery usage is 2.5-3% per hour with the screen off on 4G and 2%/hr on WiFi.
Other than that it is a great phone! Pro camera app is also awesome.
The thing is, all phones nowadays, even OEM Chinese phones are good. 100€ budget Samsung’s are good because there hadn’t been any actual phone innovations for a decade.
I think it is just him and his way of marketing his companies, not the phone itself.
I’m typing this from a Nothing Phone 2 I got about a year and a half go and I love it. Still gets monthly updates, stills runs fast and is updated to A15. Battery is starting to slip but as long as I’m around 40-50% charge before a trio or going out that’s more than enough. Really like the nothingOS customizability, reminds me of the OG oneplus phones but not what they are currently.
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I’ll speculate.
My money’s on Asus. Asus is a bit more mainstream than Nothing but still enough of an underdog that I think they should see the value in a partnership. They already target an enthusiast niche with the ROG line.
The Nothing Phone 3 uses an SD 8s Gen 4, which is not Qualcomm’s “flagship” SOC, and it would be stretching the definition of “major” OEM, but who knows? This seems the most likely after Asus.
Moto’s only flagship Snapdragon phone is the Razr Ultra, which I guess is possible. It’d be weird, but hey, I’d buy one.
OnePlus has been moving in the opposite direction for years now, locking things down more and more. I think they’re too big for their britches at this point.
Sony’s flagships are crazy expensive, well beyond the price of Pixels. They also don’t cover the US market, though I’m not sure how important that is to the Graphene devs.
HMD doesn’t make any phones with flagship SOCs. I think their best is the Skyline, with a 7s gen 2, Qualcomm’s fourth-tier SOC line (the “s” stands for shitty).
Fairphone doesn’t use flagship Snapdragons and GOS has had some pretty nasty things to say about them in the past.
Samsung is a pipe dream. They’d have no motivation. The entire GOS user base would be a rounding error to them.
On a global scale, Xiaomi would be a huge get. Not sure I see any of the Chinese OEMs focusing on this though.
Lenovo and Blackberry…might still exist? I think?
Honestly can’t imagine any chinese manufacturer partnering with a free and open Android OS. Even though it would be cool, since their phones usually have decent hardware
What did they say about Fairphone? As far as I know, Fairphone doesn’t provide patches as frequently as it should. I mean, thats not great, but it’s not “nasty.”
Lenovo bought Motorola like a decade ago.
Fairphone doesn’t have the security hardware.
It’s the same Asus that doesn’t allow bootloader unlock anymore for “stability concerns”?
Asus would be nice, I’ve liked most of the zenphones but either didn’t support my carrier/bands or something like that or they stopped allowing bootloader unlocking which is why I didn’t think they’d be on the list but this would be a great way to jump back in as an option for enthusiasts.
Also would love for it to be RAZR, I really want one but also want GrapheneOS but hesitant to buy a pixel.
I would love to put Graphene on a Xiaomi device, even more, I’d love to put them on Huawei phones, but afaik those ones don’t have an unlocked bootloader.
Doesn’t seem “it’s finally ready” when they didn’t name the name.
Amateur marketing speak for “we’re considering bringing it to other hardware”?
Yep, definitely more in line with that reality. 😄
It’s not marketing speak because GrapheneOS didn’t say it. It’s a bad headline from a site known for bad reporting. GrapheneOS has been talking about this for months and there’s nothing new in this article that wasn’t already out there.
No need to defend it. It was obviously a comment on the headline; I didn’t care who wrote it - the criticism was directed at whomever vomited it up. Tech publications are as much uncritical PR agencies for tech companies as the latter’s marketroids are.
I was trying to clarify, not defend. It is absolute garbage and this article as a whole is a pile of nothing, written in a weird breathless style like they just discovered something. Thumbs down to this shit all around.
That’s fair. 🙂
Imagine, they announce a Chinese phone brand, like Huawei or Xiaomi. Although that Xiaomi 17 Pro Max… damn.
It’d be funny to me if Pixel sales tanked a significant amount and it turns out that people only used their phones for Graphene.
Me personally, I don’t like Pixel phones. But I’ve owned every single one of them through 9 Pro.
I look forward to a Graphene future.
Typing on a pixel at the moment. I never get tired of the irony that privacy enthusiats uses google made phones of all devices out there
I never would have bought a Pixel if it weren’t for GrapheneOS. It was literally the only selling point for me.
Finally escaping from Tensor jail. Hopefully the new phone has a decent design.
Could Fairphone count as a “Major” Android OEM ?
They do use snapdragon chips, are priced roughly the same as the pixels, and might align the most with a project like Graphene and its values ?
One can dream…
It would be my dream as well, I won’t buy it unless it’s respirable anyway
I advise against inhaling your phone
“Don’t breathe this!”
What about some old iPad Air from 2013?
I mean it’s got air in the name so it’s gotta be all right
Great, it went well! I’m still in doubt about some OnePlus devices. Do you think those with OxygenOS are safe? Quick, please, I can’t hold my breath much longer!
Idk friend, for something like that I’d ask an expert. Like ChatGPT.
Break free, implying they won’t support Pixels anymore (is how I interpreted it at first anyway), but they are simply expanding support for more devices. 👍
The article suggests that they have not decided whether to support new models of Pixel but will support current models until EOL
So so far only news of expansion. 👍
Thanks for the relevant quote 👍
I hope they announce what that new phone is before my Pixel 6 goes EOL
I’m on a P6, living life on Lineage and loving it, fwiw 🙂
Would love to see oneplus support.
Niiiiice
I wish fairphone could be the thing, but unfortunately - doesn’t seem to be the case https://piunikaweb.com/2025/10/13/grapheneos-ending-pixel-exclusivity-new-oem/
I hope they also enhance their social media strategy, as their unprofessional and aggressive way of communication makes me question their trustworthiness more than I want, as I think the project is awesome.
Seriously. I love GOS and can’t imagine using a phone without it at this point, but their social media is a shitshow and a half.
Yep. They need an actual comms professional. I love GOS and am forever grateful to the team but having a bunch of non-nuero-typical devs speaking for them is not doing them any favours.
I’m out of the loop. Any examples of this?
They shit on other projects all the time (frequently unprovoked, sometimes without the original conversation having anything to do about security). They also often reply with multiple posts with multiple paragraphs each when shitting on other projects. It shouldn’t take very long to find an example if you trawl through their replies on Twitter, Bluesky, or Mastodon.
They have good points, but they’re often either not relevant to the conversation or worded in such a way that it sounds like every project other than GrapheneOS is dogshit.
They also sometimes go on (IMO) paranoid rants about XYZ project systematically trying to destroy them or whatever.
Reminds me of our good friends on Lemmygrad.
it’s called effortposting
I got the same vibes when they describe in detail how supposedly terrible Firefox on Android is for security. I actually didn’t believe them just based on the tone.
I mean, I think they’re right that the security is worse. I’m pretty sure it’s worse on desktop too, just not nearly as bad. Last I checked, Firefox on Android still doesn’t do per-site process isolation by default, for example.
Yes that is what they said. But the way they said it made me doubt that it matters quite so much.
worse than what? What browser is better?
Blink-based ones (Chrome/Chromium, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, etc.)
Somehow I don’t believe you when you say that those browsers are better for security.
If you want a direct example you can check their replies on Mastodon to about every topic.
For me, it would be the opposite. Their “unprofessional” and aggressive way of communications makes me think they are doing it for convictions rather then personal benefits. The person that’s helping you doesn’t need to be overly polite. The person trying to get something out of you does.
I got heavily attacked for basically nothing like a year ago, which made me feel really bad and I still think about it frequently. Whoever treats people like this does not gain a lot of trust from me. Also such impulsiveness should not be involved in such a project. No one needs to be overly polite but also not that hostile against people and like 90% of other projects out there.
Sorry, maybe I just did not see how bad it gets. I don’t follow their communications in detail. I wanted to say that being a bit aggressive is fine, but if it was really to the point of attacking you, than that is not ok either.
Cool! Gonna wait for a Graphene Phone now!
I hope its blackberry, id love to see them re-enter the market, and i’d love an excuse to buy one.
that would be wonderful
A new modern and secure BlackBerry with a physical keyboard would be absolutely incredible
I just want a smartphone with a physical keyboard again. That would be awesome!
As long as it isn’t a Chinese OEM. Most likely going to be Sony or Nothing?
Nothing is pretty much a Chinese OEM…
The phone is fully designed, engineered, tested, built, and firmware written in China… Pei just has his marketing office in the UK so he can claim it as a UK company. Maybe they give some aesthetic design direction in the UK too. Pei has a history of lying to make his companies seem like something they aren’t.
(Though they did have a couple of software job postings up recently, so maybe they are trying to slowly change that and do some of the software in the UK)
Aww damn. Well let’s hope it’s Sony then (or someone else reputable)
I still do not trust Sony after the CD rootkit incident.
Maybe HMD?
HMD is a Chinese OEM. 90% of their phones are just off-the-line Foxconn reference designs with almost stock android.
It is the illusion of choice that happens when companies and IP are massively consolidated into monopolies.
Chinese? They’re headquartered in Finland and even make one model in Hungary
Their flagship models only IIRC.
But the principle of an ODM is that the company lets another company completely design, manufacture, etc… Their product and then they paste their name on at the end and sell it as their own, which is why the design is often identical, because it is a reference design with a couple tweaks.
Like 99% of the cheap smart watches do this, as well as the Nothing CMF line. The non-flagship HMD line historically did this, maybe it changed in the last couple generations have changed it?
I’ve bought Sony devices for years, but nowadays the cheap ones are shit and the good ones are way too expensive
I am still rocking my Xperia 5ii. The fingerprint sensor stopled working after 2 years completely (a known problem that persists to newer models and it is thought to be a hardware problem, but it doesn’t happen on any other phone with a power button fingerprint reader and booting in safemode and back or a phone reset to factory can fix it for a short time, so I think it is planned obsolence in firmware), the software support only lasted 2 years (1 android upgrade IIRC, I am on 12), and the battery usage is 2.5-3% per hour with the screen off on 4G and 2%/hr on WiFi.
Other than that it is a great phone! Pro camera app is also awesome.
How is the quality of their phone? Does this person lie about the products themselves or just company?
I have heard that their phones are pretty good!
The thing is, all phones nowadays, even OEM Chinese phones are good. 100€ budget Samsung’s are good because there hadn’t been any actual phone innovations for a decade.
I think it is just him and his way of marketing his companies, not the phone itself.
I’m typing this from a Nothing Phone 2 I got about a year and a half go and I love it. Still gets monthly updates, stills runs fast and is updated to A15. Battery is starting to slip but as long as I’m around 40-50% charge before a trio or going out that’s more than enough. Really like the nothingOS customizability, reminds me of the OG oneplus phones but not what they are currently.
Nothing isn’t a major oem