This whole attempted censorship of adult games on gaming platforms is becoming a thing. Collective Shout—a group out of Australia that wraps itself in a feminist flag while behaving like the religi…
If MasterCard doesn’t have control over the NSFW bans, there is an easy way to solve this:
Announce that they are explicitly allowing NSFW purchases.
If they won’t do that, then one of two things are true:
MasterCard doesn’t have control over its process, to which point investors should question what value they provide
MasterCard is lying and they do have control over its processes, to which point merchants and consumers should question how much they can trust a company that will ban certain categories of purchases
Surely there are categories you think should be banned. MasterCard won’t buy you heroin on the street corner. This has already been a thing, the only difference is now they came for our porn I guess.
Buying porn with money is fully legal. Buying a porn magazine at a brick and mortar store is fully legal. Buying fucking sex toys online and at a brick and mortar store is fully legal.
MasterCard banning a specific category of goods because a small, yet vocal, group of people think they shouldn’t exist is not only absolutely stupid but anticompetitive.
Themes like “incest” and “rape” were pulled from Steam.
While distasteful to most, these are not illegal in pornography (local laws may differ). Hell, even snuff films are legal as long as they’re simulated (and not real video of actual murder). However, because of payment processors mainstream porn sites won’t host them.
For the most part films of illegal stuff happening are very much legal (no matter whether “simulated” or real), and it might even be legal selling them provided you have the correct rights to them.
The article addresses the topic of how quickly the banning of this kind of material can get out of hand:
These are, it seems, the same people going on book-banning crusades that ensare such smut as Calvin & Hobbes comics.
Magic Tree House author Mary Pope Osborne, children’s poet Shel Silverstein and Calvin and Hobbes cartoonist Bill Watterson have joined Judy Blume, Sarah J. Maas, Eric Carle and Kurt Vonnegut on a mind-boggling list of hundreds of books purged from some Tennessee school libraries.
The removals are the result of a growing political movement to control information through book banning. In 2024, the state legislature amended the “Age-Appropriate Materials Act of 2022” to specify that any materials that “in whole or in part” contain any “nudity, or descriptions or depictions of sexual excitement, sexual conduct, excess violence, or sadomasochistic abuse” are inappropriate for all students and do not belong in a school library. This change means books are not evaluated as a whole, and excerpts can be considered without context, if they have any content that is deemed to cross these lines. This leaves no room for educators and librarians to curate collections that reflect the real world and serve the educational needs of today’s students.
Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content.
A store named “use these toys on fake dolls of children” is horribly distasteful but not illegal.
I can agree that maybe that type of content shouldn’t be sold, but I also understand that’s my personal opinion and not necessarily the law. Me, you or Visa or Mastercard should not be in a position to dictate whether it’s acceptable to sell such content.
EVEN IF a store was named “use these toys on fake dolls of children” (because this name would likely not even pass local laws but let’s put that aside), the store can sell cookies and take MasterCard.
I’m going to play devil’s advocate since the OOP is doing a terrible job of arguing their point.
If my brick and mortar store sold incest books, MasterCard could say, “We don’t like how you sell this one book or category of books.”
Like…fine. In which case they are being anticompetitive. The books aren’t illegal. Distasteful, perhaps, but you don’t see me complaining to MasterCard for processing bakery transactions, just because I hate gluten.
Yeah, there are categories I think should be banned. But should they actually be banned just because I want them to be? Only if they are illegal. Some things are legal that I think shouldn’t be, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is legal, whether I want it to be or not. Therefore, so long as it is legal, transactions should be allowed whether I like them or not.
Untill they make it my problem, I don’t care about what people are paying for.
Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it’s not like you’re going to be able to buy your games anyway.
They’re a lot smaller by comparison. Not a lot of places accept American Express (and the few that do tend to do it for an increased surcharge), where many more would take a Visa/Mastercard.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t buy games ever since I found out I didn’t buy games, merely licensed them. Which is kind of ironic as I would assume most of the censored games are available on the high seas.
Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading.
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Particularly as this is causing huge brand damage to MasterCard/Visa. If there is someone else who should take the issue, you’d think they’d point the issue at them and dust themselves off.
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Good, point out their BS. Valve is doing lords work.
Valve, I already am a fanboy, no need to drive the point home.
MasterCard will revoke your payment processing for that.
If MasterCard doesn’t have control over the NSFW bans, there is an easy way to solve this:
Announce that they are explicitly allowing NSFW purchases.
If they won’t do that, then one of two things are true:
Yep and yet they won’t because it’s incredibly convenient for them to be able to maintain that kind of control while disavowing it at the same time.
The point is that this would force them to show their hand. Either they will exercise control in this situation or they won’t.
If they don’t, problem solved; and, if they do then we know who the problem is.
The proliferation of doublethink within the last ten years has been incredibly frightening.
Social media echo chambers made us tolerant to extreme opinions and irrational ideas presented as facts. Nobody fights back against bullshit anymore.
Surely there are categories you think should be banned. MasterCard won’t buy you heroin on the street corner. This has already been a thing, the only difference is now they came for our porn I guess.
Buying illegal drugs is, well, illegal.
Buying porn with money is fully legal. Buying a porn magazine at a brick and mortar store is fully legal. Buying fucking sex toys online and at a brick and mortar store is fully legal.
MasterCard banning a specific category of goods because a small, yet vocal, group of people think they shouldn’t exist is not only absolutely stupid but anticompetitive.
Okay, but If the sex toy store was named “use these toys on fake dolls of children”, then MasterCard likely wouldnt do business there either.
You are aware of what type of content was being targeted here right?
Themes like “incest” and “rape” were pulled from Steam.
While distasteful to most, these are not illegal in pornography (local laws may differ). Hell, even snuff films are legal as long as they’re simulated (and not real video of actual murder). However, because of payment processors mainstream porn sites won’t host them.
For the most part films of illegal stuff happening are very much legal (no matter whether “simulated” or real), and it might even be legal selling them provided you have the correct rights to them.
The article addresses the topic of how quickly the banning of this kind of material can get out of hand:
Which would contradict their statement:
A store named “use these toys on fake dolls of children” is horribly distasteful but not illegal.
I can agree that maybe that type of content shouldn’t be sold, but I also understand that’s my personal opinion and not necessarily the law. Me, you or Visa or Mastercard should not be in a position to dictate whether it’s acceptable to sell such content.
EVEN IF a store was named “use these toys on fake dolls of children” (because this name would likely not even pass local laws but let’s put that aside), the store can sell cookies and take MasterCard.
I’m going to play devil’s advocate since the OOP is doing a terrible job of arguing their point.
If my brick and mortar store sold incest books, MasterCard could say, “We don’t like how you sell this one book or category of books.”
Like…fine. In which case they are being anticompetitive. The books aren’t illegal. Distasteful, perhaps, but you don’t see me complaining to MasterCard for processing bakery transactions, just because I hate gluten.
Not their business what I do with my own money.
Their business is letting me spend my money in ways I see fut for my budget.
By the government? Yep
By a private entitiy? Ummm…No?
Yeah, there are categories I think should be banned. But should they actually be banned just because I want them to be? Only if they are illegal. Some things are legal that I think shouldn’t be, but that doesn’t change the fact that it is legal, whether I want it to be or not. Therefore, so long as it is legal, transactions should be allowed whether I like them or not.
Untill they make it my problem, I don’t care about what people are paying for.
I love that MasterCard is pushing this shit under the guise of “brand damaging” products.
Yet this whole fiasco is the most brand damage they could ask for.
Is there any other payment method that works? Use them instead. If no, then just boycott MasterCard and whoever else, it’s not like you’re going to be able to buy your games anyway.
I haven’t heard Amex mentioned in any of this so, I guess they’re ok?
They’re a lot smaller by comparison. Not a lot of places accept American Express (and the few that do tend to do it for an increased surcharge), where many more would take a Visa/Mastercard.
I wouldn’t know, I don’t buy games ever since I found out I didn’t buy games, merely licensed them. Which is kind of ironic as I would assume most of the censored games are available on the high seas.
Buy on GOG then
Good point, they have a reasonable purchase and backup policy.
Sadly both Mastercard and Visa have supported this practice and thats the 2 big ones.
Dang, looks like I actually have to do some reading.
Looks like there is a way. Is there a will?
Use your Mastercard to buy yourself a Steam gift card then buy a product that is offensive to Mastercard with the gift card.
Now you’re thinking with portals!
Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?
If the payment processors are entities separate from Mastercard, then why not name and shame them?
Particularly as this is causing huge brand damage to MasterCard/Visa. If there is someone else who should take the issue, you’d think they’d point the issue at them and dust themselves off.
If Mastercard really was not involved they would be suing for libel.
So what’s the problem? Mastercard says it’s not us and Steam says it’s not us. Just put em back up.
What’s the best way to pay for games that doesn’t involve MasterCard, visa, PayPal, or any other company currently pulling this bullshit?
SEPA or giftcards
That goes through the bank/cash to voucher