Randy Pitchford has continued his social media push to address complaints about the performance of the PC version of Borderlands 4, telling some disgruntled players they can get a Steam refund if they’re unhappy with the game.
Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.
When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn’t good performance.
It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It’s at the point it’s weird he still has a job
That’s probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It’s an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn’t optimize any further themselves.
BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).
Edit: It was only DLSS enabled and not Frame Gen. I was able to get to ~90 FPS with most everything on low and frame gen off.
What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.
Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won’t. Enjoy head casing about that.
I’ve got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It’s 60fps but I’m cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it’s steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.
I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.
According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I’m not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it’s definitely ass, I just don’t think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they’ve done with their computer to get such poor performance.
That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.
A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.
And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that’s hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you’d say I’m full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?
My point is you can’t take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they’re omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you’re just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn’t fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.
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Out of the loop, is it a AAA game drama?
Just your typical Randy drama you get at every BL release.
At least he didn’t punch anyone this time.
Yet!
Nor did he leave a USB stick containing sensitive design data and camgirl porn at a Medieval Times
Things are looking up for ol’ Randy
The cam girl porn was the valuable bit. I sure as hell know nobody wants the Borderlands code
True, no physical punches just metaphoric ones to every gamer right in the genitals with his BS yet again.
Yeah, so it’s just the usual
Apparently the graphics are basically the same as 3, but performance is dog shit on even the best hardware and crashes are unavoidable.
When people complained, he said they need to use AI fake frame and upscale from 720. Which still wasn’t good performance.
It might get fixed later in updates. But this guy is handling so badly he might legitimately be mentally unwell. It’s at the point it’s weird he still has a job
It’s got Denuvo running
That’s probably not the cause of the issues here though. Denuvo impacts game performance but not as badly as Borderlands 4 is seeing. The engine they chose has issues even on non denuvo games. It’s an unoptimized mess and then gearbox didn’t optimize any further themselves.
BL4 is running horribly, even on higher end PCs. I have a 4090 and a decent processor, but only getting 80FPS max with a good few settings on low or off and AI frame gen on (I would rather not, but performance is just that bad).
Edit: It was only DLSS enabled and not Frame Gen. I was able to get to ~90 FPS with most everything on low and frame gen off.
What’s crazy is how inconsistent the problems seem to be. I’ve got a 4080 Super and a decent processor, and I’m getting 120-140fps with most settings as high as they can go with frame gen on at 1440p. Only crashed once in about 40 hours of gameplay.
This feels like Halo Infinite all over again.
Oh, you have identical specs and built at the exact same time? Yeah, half of you are going to randomly have issues and half won’t. Enjoy head casing about that.
I am going to need to double check my settings then. I might have only enabled DLSS and not frame gen.
I’ve got a 6800xt and it runs really well on medium settings. Looks pretty good as well. Never had the game crash on me either. It’s 60fps but I’m cool with that. Gameplay feels smooth at that and it’s steady. No upscaling no frame Gen. 3440x1440.
I have heard a lot of people are having issues with Nvidia hardware though.
Holy shit you get 80 fps with frame gen on with a 4090? What resolution?
2560 × 1440
Holy fuck that is so much worse than I realized it was. What a joke.
According to hardware unboxed 4090 at 1440 natively on the badass preset gets an average of 67 FPS. I’m not defending the poor performance of Borderlands 4, it’s definitely ass, I just don’t think we should take insane statements from randos at face value. Always verify performance with reputable sources instead of someone saying something on the web without giving the full picture. Who knows what they’ve done with their computer to get such poor performance.
That doesn’t really seem to contradict the other person’s claim that much? In fact like your said if just a few other things are running on that person’s pc and eating some resources, their claim seems super believable in the context of what you just said so I’m not sure what your point is.
A reviewer/tester is going to be benchmarking in a best case scenario environment. Real people using their real computers will be experiencing a huge variety of other environments. Different temps, hardware settings, programs running, etc. None of that context excuses the performance, and makes that person’s performance claim believable.
And Silksong will also run like shit if I run an AI model in the background that’s hogging all resources, but if I said Silksong ran like shit on a 4090 you’d say I’m full of shit. But with Borderlands 4 it would be okay to say that because it fits your biases?
My point is you can’t take such statements at face value. They need to be looked at critically because who knows what the person is doing with their machine or what kind of information they’re omitting. Maybe the other person has a CPU bottleneck because they threw a 4090 together with a Ryzen 7 2700X? If you take them at face value you’re just reflecting your own biases which means you call it bullshit if it doesn’t fit your bias or you agree with it when it does fit your bias.
But my guy, you provided context which shows that Borderlands 4 does run like shit on a 4090 in a lab environment.
Borderlands 3 on highest settings with a 4090, a worse cpu, at 1440p ran at 210 average fps.
You telling me that Borderlands 4 looks good enough compared to 3 to explain a 143 fps drop?