SMS can literally be read by anyone spinning up a fake mobile tower, there is no e2e encryption and probably a few other security concerns I don’t even know, I’ll use WhatsApp before I use SMS as secure communication.
Edit: RCS fixes (some of?) this but at this point why not use something even better?
Hopefully you will learn not to generalise so brazenly in future ;)
RCS is an open, standardised protocol implemented globally by the GSM. It isn’t beholden to an American company at all? The GSM takes advice from third parties (like the implementation of MLS) but acts independently. Yes, Google had a huge hand in the design and implementation of it but Google doesn’t own the standard protocol.
Not sure if you’re just joking… but it is vastly, vastly better than using a messaging platform owned by a for-profit company like Meta.
I’d sooner ask “why do people care about messenger apps”? Like what? Why do we need 5 different programs to talk to people because everybody’s on different platforms - none of which are even domestically owned by my country or really controlled at all by it.
RCS is slightly closer to a step in the right direction, but the fact that Google is so deeply latched into it still gives me some concern.
They don’t need 5 programs, there are lots of messaging services that work across the major platforms that people use, I don’t understand why we would want a new , “official” client made by google which locks out anyone they don’t like (rooted devices, third parties) which doesn’t even have the advantages of already existing options in terms of privacy, usability, and security.
Also they’d need 6 programs, the 5 they had before and now RCS.
They still need an RCS client on PC, etc.
All the apple users I know use WhatsApp, Signal, telegram and not one uses IMessage, not even the company I work at, which uses iPhones mainly, uses IMessage for communication, private or otherwise.
But you’re saying there’s one app that will connect to them all and work? I don’t think that’s the case unless there’s something like Pidgin for Android, I guess…
No, I’m saying that there isn’t. You can use all those things on every platform, RCS would be the 6th program you need to install besides the other 5 you already have and it seems useless compared to the rest.
But RCS is intended to be an industry standard. A user doesn’t install the internet on their phone, they install a web browser that is able to interact with the various standards that make the internet. In the same way RCS should make those other messaging apps either irrelevant or force them to become somewhat more interoperable while potentially making it easier for open source solutions.
That being said, Google are being absolute cunts when it comes to RCS. They bitched about Apple not supporting it while simultaneously making it nearly impossible to have any app other than theirs that can do RCS messaging.
My rooted Pixel 9 Pro has RCS enabled. Just needed the Play Integrity Fix patch installed through Magisk. Though I think Google is changing that in May, so we’ll see what happens.
I doubt that those companies will switch to RCS unless they’re forced to and I’d rather they switch to time based tokens generated on the client device instead.
I don’t think they would at least because the share of people who can use it is not that large. Where I am, only one carrier out of the big four has it, and only Samsung phones support it (Google as well, but they’re not officially sold so not quite as popular).
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Maybe I missed something but who even cares about RCS?
Anyone still using “Text Messaging”?
I don’t know any person using sms for regular communication, everyone I know uses some kind of messenger app.
Nearly everyone I know is still using SMS, even if they’re also messaging using another app.
It probably depends on where you live.
Why do you prefer/use SMS?
Like Whatsapp? I prefer to minimize the amount of data Facebook collects on me.
SMS can literally be read by anyone spinning up a fake mobile tower, there is no e2e encryption and probably a few other security concerns I don’t even know, I’ll use WhatsApp before I use SMS as secure communication.
Edit: RCS fixes (some of?) this but at this point why not use something even better?
So because nobody in your life uses it, it doesn’t need to exist? What?
Are you the most important person on the planet, or just incapable of thinking that other people’s lives might be different to yours?
The point is to take the base communication technology (texting) and bring it to the 21st century without being beholden to some American company.
Because no person in my life uses it I made the generalization that it isn’t used much, leading to my top comment.
Is this satirical? RCS is beholden to some American company as far as I can tell.
Hopefully you will learn not to generalise so brazenly in future ;)
RCS is an open, standardised protocol implemented globally by the GSM. It isn’t beholden to an American company at all? The GSM takes advice from third parties (like the implementation of MLS) but acts independently. Yes, Google had a huge hand in the design and implementation of it but Google doesn’t own the standard protocol.
Not sure if you’re just joking… but it is vastly, vastly better than using a messaging platform owned by a for-profit company like Meta.
Americans.
So yeah, nobody cares about SMS/RCS
I’d sooner ask “why do people care about messenger apps”? Like what? Why do we need 5 different programs to talk to people because everybody’s on different platforms - none of which are even domestically owned by my country or really controlled at all by it.
RCS is slightly closer to a step in the right direction, but the fact that Google is so deeply latched into it still gives me some concern.
They don’t need 5 programs, there are lots of messaging services that work across the major platforms that people use, I don’t understand why we would want a new , “official” client made by google which locks out anyone they don’t like (rooted devices, third parties) which doesn’t even have the advantages of already existing options in terms of privacy, usability, and security.
Also they’d need 6 programs, the 5 they had before and now RCS.
maybe I missed something but who has 5 messenger apps installed??
Signal, Telegram, Facebook Messenger, WhatsApp, Instagram, and Google Messages. I guess Snapchat could be on there, too.
Easy. I’ve got Google Messages, Signal, Telegram, Slack, FB Messenger, and Nextcloud Talk.
I use them all.
iOS RCS works through the stock Messages app like iMessage does. It’s not a separate program.
They still need an RCS client on PC, etc.
All the apple users I know use WhatsApp, Signal, telegram and not one uses IMessage, not even the company I work at, which uses iPhones mainly, uses IMessage for communication, private or otherwise.
I imagine on macOS it’s the same; Messages or nothing. No separate clients are involved.
Signal, Telegram, WhatsApp, Messenger, Instagram, Google…
But you’re saying there’s one app that will connect to them all and work? I don’t think that’s the case unless there’s something like Pidgin for Android, I guess…
No, I’m saying that there isn’t. You can use all those things on every platform, RCS would be the 6th program you need to install besides the other 5 you already have and it seems useless compared to the rest.
Edit: platform as in android, windows, iOS etc
But RCS is intended to be an industry standard. A user doesn’t install the internet on their phone, they install a web browser that is able to interact with the various standards that make the internet. In the same way RCS should make those other messaging apps either irrelevant or force them to become somewhat more interoperable while potentially making it easier for open source solutions.
That being said, Google are being absolute cunts when it comes to RCS. They bitched about Apple not supporting it while simultaneously making it nearly impossible to have any app other than theirs that can do RCS messaging.
So we’re back to square one, five messengers and one which "can do anything"©®™ led by google. No thanks I’d rather let SMS be as it is.
As far as I can see you can’t join the network without some kind of authorization (see rooted phones being unable to).
What would be far better is RCS to be exempted from data usage so we can have a more secured protocol for standardized messaging.
My rooted Pixel 9 Pro has RCS enabled. Just needed the Play Integrity Fix patch installed through Magisk. Though I think Google is changing that in May, so we’ll see what happens.
Yeah you need a TrickyStore and a valid key, though my point is that they can pick and choose who can be an RCS client.
That’s the point of GSM standardizing the encryption method. Progress is slow until it isn’t. We have to start somewhere.
I certainly do. iOS users insist on SMS and SMS is awful. I gently sway those I can influence to modern messaging but that is not everyone.
I guess so? I haven’t met anyone who’s using sms for that but apparently that’s just regional.
People who still need to receive or respond to SMS or MMS, for work or for stupid companies that still use it for 2fa.
I doubt that those companies will switch to RCS unless they’re forced to and I’d rather they switch to time based tokens generated on the client device instead.
I don’t think they would at least because the share of people who can use it is not that large. Where I am, only one carrier out of the big four has it, and only Samsung phones support it (Google as well, but they’re not officially sold so not quite as popular).