Imagine being a developer and getting a phone call at 9pm on Friday of a holiday weekend and being greeted with “Sooooo real funny story. We’re going to need to do some heavy load testing on the production server and we’re gonna need you to come in”
I would simply say no. But, by this point, I would have been loudly voicing all of the potential problems. Not my problem they ignored all the warnings, I’m not gonna give up a holiday weekend for their fuck up.
In a company like Twitter, that isn’t going to offer you any kind of protection from getting fired or disciplined. Elon will just fire you anyway.
He doesn’t have the nuance and foresight to consider any of the experience of his employees because nothing he does with Twitter has any kind of strategy behind it.
He thinks Twitter is Tesla and he can do whatever he wants, but even with Tesla he’s starting to realize how wrong that actually is.
as much as i hate elon musk tho, it is a sort of reasonable strategy in case you’re trying to prevent incurring further hosting charges while you’re migrating 🤷♀️
not sure why he can’t just pay the hosting bill but whatever, that’s secondary i guess
So if you were moving to another home or apartment, is it a reasonable strategy to stop paying rent at your current home while you’re looking for a new place? Of course not. Same idea here.
if your current rent suddenly because very expensive, or you can’t afford the current rent bc you lost your job, then ye, it’s not a reasonable option, but the only option 🤷♀️
Ah yes, poor Elon is too poor to pay his bills. And Google must have suddenly increased the prices, it’s not like they have contracts to adhere to regarding those kinda things.
There is literally no reason to do it like that other than incompetence. Platform migrations, especially for something as large as Twitter, are incredibly large undertakings that need a lot of skilled people. All those skilled people have long continued their careers at other companies.
You don’t need to know how Twitter is run, that is simply IT and business management 102.
i don’t really understand how you can be so confident while knowing nothing or very little about running such an insanely complicated platform as twitter
I can’t believe people come to Lemmy of all places to defend Twitter and Musk. I’ve come here a month or so ago when the reddit news broke, but damn, it changed so much these past few days. I kind of already miss Lemmy as it was.
while twitter as a concept is a pretty simple platform, scaling, load balancing, etc a service with hundreds of millions of users is pretty complicated
There is literally no reason to do it like that other than incompetence. Platform migrations, especially for something as large as Twitter, are incredibly large undertakings that need a lot of skilled people. All those skilled people have long continued their careers at other companies.
You don’t need to know how Twitter is run, that is simply IT and business management 102.
do you have access to their financial reports? bc i’m not sure how one can make claims like that otherwise 🤷♀️
like, i kinda see it wrt to the whole blue checkmark fiasco, but the issue with profitability goes much deeper than that, both in terms of time (during which this problem existed) and design (how much is it embedded into twitter as an application)
ppl like to shit on twitter and the link (reasonably so), but it’s a legitimate challenge to run it and do so profitably, if they’re having troubles with their server costs, only thing i could actually fault them with is making a platform that takes like 1mb of bandwidth to serve like 1/3 kb worth of text (also allowing pictures and videos)
And this doesn’t even go over the fact that the Google Cloud infrastructure was where the application that helped fight CSAM and harassment lived and there has been no contingency plan for moving it or getting it back up and running.
i have no idea where the image is originally from; i saw it somewhere with the caption “not sure if this has been posted here yet” or something like that and figured it was a nice summary of the situation so i posted it here.
Musk is an idiot and his handling of Twitter is even more idiotic. But can we not use unsourced screenshots of note taking apps for this community? If there’s substantiated news, post a link to a decent source. If we allow these kinda posts just because we agree with them, we’re gonna be very vulnerable to misinformation (case in point: the fact that there’s articles saying that they resumed paying this bill).
Does this take into account that Twitter’s new CEO has resumed paying Google? I can see that maybe the tumult could have caused a lapse in the contract until a new arrangement is finalized, but that’s just speculation.
A lot of people have had their lives turned upside down by this guy. They may not be literal kings but the hierarchical nature of employment, together with the role money plays in politics, gives billionaires a lot of power over our lives.
Rich people influence your life even if they’re not politicians. Using their money and influence they push parties and organizations that push their interests, which are usually the exact opposite of what benefits ordinary people
When I heard about the change to block unregistered users from even reading tweets, I wondered if it affected embeds too.
One of the few good things to come out of this mess if it stops news sites from writing articles that are little more than 6 tweet embeds back to back.
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Imagine being a developer and getting a phone call at 9pm on Friday of a holiday weekend and being greeted with “Sooooo real funny story. We’re going to need to do some heavy load testing on the production server and we’re gonna need you to come in”
I would simply say no. But, by this point, I would have been loudly voicing all of the potential problems. Not my problem they ignored all the warnings, I’m not gonna give up a holiday weekend for their fuck up.
If that means they’d let me go so be it
Now is the time for the twitter devs to implement “arse covering mode”. Although they probably have been in that mode since the buyout.
Keep every email. Recorder or otherwise document every phone call, and insist on every instruction being in writing.
It’s amazing how many managers no longer want you to do a thing when you insist that the instructions to do that thing are in writing.
In a company like Twitter, that isn’t going to offer you any kind of protection from getting fired or disciplined. Elon will just fire you anyway.
He doesn’t have the nuance and foresight to consider any of the experience of his employees because nothing he does with Twitter has any kind of strategy behind it.
He thinks Twitter is Tesla and he can do whatever he wants, but even with Tesla he’s starting to realize how wrong that actually is.
I’m quite certain the only people left at twitter at this point are the ones who won’t or can’t say no.
I’m pretty sure the only people working at Twitter at this point are held hostage by their visa, plus maybe a few true musk heads.
Wel, yeah, you can’t be a Conservative Mascot without exploiting immigrant labor. This is just the 21st century adaptation…H-1B edition.
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as much as i hate elon musk tho, it is a sort of reasonable strategy in case you’re trying to prevent incurring further hosting charges while you’re migrating 🤷♀️
not sure why he can’t just pay the hosting bill but whatever, that’s secondary i guess
So if you were moving to another home or apartment, is it a reasonable strategy to stop paying rent at your current home while you’re looking for a new place? Of course not. Same idea here.
if your current rent suddenly because very expensive, or you can’t afford the current rent bc you lost your job, then ye, it’s not a reasonable option, but the only option 🤷♀️
Ah yes, poor Elon is too poor to pay his bills. And Google must have suddenly increased the prices, it’s not like they have contracts to adhere to regarding those kinda things.
No, letting your contract run out before you have properly migrated is not a reasonable strategy, it’s mind-boggingly stupid and pathetic.
idk about you but i’ve no idea about how twitter is run, there’s plenty of reasons they would be unable or prefer not to do that 🤷♀️
There is literally no reason to do it like that other than incompetence. Platform migrations, especially for something as large as Twitter, are incredibly large undertakings that need a lot of skilled people. All those skilled people have long continued their careers at other companies.
You don’t need to know how Twitter is run, that is simply IT and business management 102.
i don’t really understand how you can be so confident while knowing nothing or very little about running such an insanely complicated platform as twitter
Lol, I’m regularly working with companies such as Twitter as a consultant :)
I can’t believe people come to Lemmy of all places to defend Twitter and Musk. I’ve come here a month or so ago when the reddit news broke, but damn, it changed so much these past few days. I kind of already miss Lemmy as it was.
ok, then (depending on what kind of consulting you do though) you should know that operating and migrating such a services is a big challenge?
i’m not even sure what we’re debating: twitter is incurring a lot of hosting charges, and they’re trying to mitigate that…
My brother in Christ, what?
while twitter as a concept is a pretty simple platform, scaling, load balancing, etc a service with hundreds of millions of users is pretty complicated
There is literally no reason to do it like that other than incompetence. Platform migrations, especially for something as large as Twitter, are incredibly large undertakings that need a lot of skilled people. All those skilled people have long continued their careers at other companies.
You don’t need to know how Twitter is run, that is simply IT and business management 102.
Incompetently, from the looks of it.
do you have access to their financial reports? bc i’m not sure how one can make claims like that otherwise 🤷♀️
like, i kinda see it wrt to the whole blue checkmark fiasco, but the issue with profitability goes much deeper than that, both in terms of time (during which this problem existed) and design (how much is it embedded into twitter as an application)
It is when you don’t have a billion dollars. Any losses this incurs less than a billion dollars are actually an improvement on the bottom line…
real shit
ppl like to shit on twitter and the link (reasonably so), but it’s a legitimate challenge to run it and do so profitably, if they’re having troubles with their server costs, only thing i could actually fault them with is making a platform that takes like 1mb of bandwidth to serve like 1/3 kb worth of text (also allowing pictures and videos)
Tough times when even the second richest guy in the world can’t afford to pay his bills.
You don’t get to be that rich by paying bills.
And this doesn’t even go over the fact that the Google Cloud infrastructure was where the application that helped fight CSAM and harassment lived and there has been no contingency plan for moving it or getting it back up and running.
Even if that was true, but it’s a terrible strategy for retaining users and stock value.
He only knows how to run business on non-competitive sector, otherwise, he is dumb.
I think anyone can do that. Even Forest Gump did it with all those fishing boats after the hurricane.
I think it is a good time to gdpr request my tweet data
Where does this information come from?
good question :)
i have no idea where the image is originally from; i saw it somewhere with the caption “not sure if this has been posted here yet” or something like that and figured it was a nice summary of the situation so i posted it here.
the underlying story about twitter accidentally ddosing itself is being widely discussed by various credible sources, such as here: https://waxy.org/2023/07/twitter-bug-causes-self-ddos-possibly-causing-elon-musks-emergency-blocks-and-rate-limits-its-amateur-hour/
edit: and them not paying their google bill, and their contract expiring on june 30, was reported here: https://www.engadget.com/twitter-has-supposedly-started-paying-its-google-cloud-bill-again-213824844.html
The very fact that it sounds plausible explains all that we need to know.
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Yet Spez is pretending he wants to do the same shit Elon is. Yeah right
Hilarity at Elon’s expense. That’s what’s happening!
Musk is an idiot and his handling of Twitter is even more idiotic. But can we not use unsourced screenshots of note taking apps for this community? If there’s substantiated news, post a link to a decent source. If we allow these kinda posts just because we agree with them, we’re gonna be very vulnerable to misinformation (case in point: the fact that there’s articles saying that they resumed paying this bill).
Does this take into account that Twitter’s new CEO has resumed paying Google? I can see that maybe the tumult could have caused a lapse in the contract until a new arrangement is finalized, but that’s just speculation.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-resumes-paying-google-cloud-bloomberg-news-2023-06-21/
That’s kind of what happens when Google holds your company hostage, yeah.
Kind of what happens when you don’t pay your $1B bill, you mean.
Yes, I meant that Google holds true power over Twitter, like any hosting company will. Billions be damned.
Where does this information come from?
Business Insider article:
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-twitter-stopped-paying-google-cloud-bills-money-platformer-2023-6
references this report: https://www.platformer.news/p/twitter-stiffs-google
Nice use of Google Keep 😂
really!! I love it. They should just crop the top and the bottom and it would be magnificent
That’s Apple Notes.
We are ruled by morons.
Ruled?
A lot of people have had their lives turned upside down by this guy. They may not be literal kings but the hierarchical nature of employment, together with the role money plays in politics, gives billionaires a lot of power over our lives.
Rich people influence your life even if they’re not politicians. Using their money and influence they push parties and organizations that push their interests, which are usually the exact opposite of what benefits ordinary people
Open source, open standards, open protocols. We need to stop allowing centralized control which let the rich accumulate more power.
Something something shoots astronaut in back of head
When I heard about the change to block unregistered users from even reading tweets, I wondered if it affected embeds too.
One of the few good things to come out of this mess if it stops news sites from writing articles that are little more than 6 tweet embeds back to back.
Elon DDOS’ed himself in confusion!