Is this like the supposed cloud assisted destructible buildings that were supposed to wow us to death in Crackdown 3? But instead we got another severely watered down xbox 360 “copy and paste” game for the Xbox one?
Tying a game feature to the cloud is so moronic. You’re forced to either require an internet connection, or make the feature not affect gameplay at all. Not to mention the continuous cost of cloud compute
Oh man, please don’t remind me of that disappointment.
On the other hand, I felt like “Drivatars” from the Forza series were decent. They at the very least felt a bit better than the static randomly generated drivers. I’m sure others may have had different experiences though.
The dialogue stuff is pretty interesting at least. As long as the models needs to run in the cloud and not on-device, I don’t see it catching on - but who knows in a few years?
I’m most looking forward to a jump in general NPC intelligence and ability. I just want to exist in a world where I can ask an NPC to do “quests” for me, so I can run my shop in peace.
The sad fact is that most of the generative AI advances don’t really help with this. They might make npc dialouge more flexible and less static, but nothing in the toolbelt Microsoft is offering would improve general NPC AI.
Maybe down the road we’ll see something, but I suspect MS is really just offering text and modeling automation.
Honestly, fair enough, it would take a lot of work to have an LLM direct your game in the intended way.
That said though, to create an AI system equivalent to an LLM would be even more work.
I think a lot of this comes down to AAA vs Indie, as well. For a AAA game, there is a lot more pressure to keep the LLM in line - which is of course very difficult if not impossible. For an indie game, though, the goofiness can be part of the charm, I think.
I guess my point is that I’m just excited to see what people can come up with. The point of games is to play, and I personally think LLMs are fun to play with.
I think the idea that it takes more work to do things by just engineering it in is flawed, to say the least.
Building llms is incredibly difficult. Building good training data is even more difficult. Then ironing out all the problems and biases in your model is even more difficult than that. You often need to build new models just to correct the old models.
There are places ai does well, it is however not a magic wand that just makes everything easier. It is far far far from that.
Sure, but once the model is trained and all that, the developer doesn’t need to worry about any of that - it becomes a black box as far as actual implementation goes.
I don’t think anyone is proposing that game devs create an LLM from scratch.
ai isn’t a magic wand that just magics up whatever you want. a lot of engineering has to go into making it do things. that engineering effort can go into doing other things. it’s just where developers choose to spend engineering time.
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Is this like the supposed cloud assisted destructible buildings that were supposed to wow us to death in Crackdown 3? But instead we got another severely watered down xbox 360 “copy and paste” game for the Xbox one?
Tying a game feature to the cloud is so moronic. You’re forced to either require an internet connection, or make the feature not affect gameplay at all. Not to mention the continuous cost of cloud compute
Oh man, please don’t remind me of that disappointment.
On the other hand, I felt like “Drivatars” from the Forza series were decent. They at the very least felt a bit better than the static randomly generated drivers. I’m sure others may have had different experiences though.
Guess we’ll see how it turns out though.
milo?
The dialogue stuff is pretty interesting at least. As long as the models needs to run in the cloud and not on-device, I don’t see it catching on - but who knows in a few years?
I’m most looking forward to a jump in general NPC intelligence and ability. I just want to exist in a world where I can ask an NPC to do “quests” for me, so I can run my shop in peace.
The sad fact is that most of the generative AI advances don’t really help with this. They might make npc dialouge more flexible and less static, but nothing in the toolbelt Microsoft is offering would improve general NPC AI.
Maybe down the road we’ll see something, but I suspect MS is really just offering text and modeling automation.
I’m not sure about the Microsoft toolkit specifically, but I’m talking about something along these lines:
https://arxiv.org/abs/2304.03442
I’m actually experimenting with something similar at the moment, though it’s very early stages right now.
You can do that without ai
And yet, it would be far more dynamic - not to mention easier to implement - if it were powered by an LLM.
no, it wouldn’t. you would spend 10x the time to make a generative model that fucks up constantly from biases you never imagined.
Honestly, fair enough, it would take a lot of work to have an LLM direct your game in the intended way.
That said though, to create an AI system equivalent to an LLM would be even more work.
I think a lot of this comes down to AAA vs Indie, as well. For a AAA game, there is a lot more pressure to keep the LLM in line - which is of course very difficult if not impossible. For an indie game, though, the goofiness can be part of the charm, I think.
I guess my point is that I’m just excited to see what people can come up with. The point of games is to play, and I personally think LLMs are fun to play with.
I think the idea that it takes more work to do things by just engineering it in is flawed, to say the least.
Building llms is incredibly difficult. Building good training data is even more difficult. Then ironing out all the problems and biases in your model is even more difficult than that. You often need to build new models just to correct the old models.
There are places ai does well, it is however not a magic wand that just makes everything easier. It is far far far from that.
Sure, but once the model is trained and all that, the developer doesn’t need to worry about any of that - it becomes a black box as far as actual implementation goes.
I don’t think anyone is proposing that game devs create an LLM from scratch.
I don’t really think you grasp the problem at hand here. You think as long as their is a conversational llm everything else is solved. No.
Or just ask them to move out of the way, or tell them to go a specific direction when their path finding fails.
You can do that without ai
And still it is not really a thing, hopefully ai can fix it.
ai isn’t a magic wand that just magics up whatever you want. a lot of engineering has to go into making it do things. that engineering effort can go into doing other things. it’s just where developers choose to spend engineering time.