First up you’re comparing two completely different scales of bad things happening. If someone cheats in a game it doesn’t really meaningfully affect anyone, having your house broken into is a direct threat on your property. Locking a door has minimal downsides but allowing someone who can be trusted less than most corporations to have root access to your entire computer has a pile of risks and opens doors for worse. If anticheat is just to deter cheating then there’s no justification to have more access. If you can’t handle maybe having a match ruined then you shouldn’t be playing online games.
Do you lock your door at night? Why? Anyone could just use a fireman’s axe and open it. Or they could just drive through your living room and steal everything.
For kernel-level anti-cheats its quite simple. Those in opposition to kernel-level anti-cheats likely view locking a door as a small task with minimal downsides, which could reasonably deter an opportunistic criminal, or buy you time to escape with your life or call the police.
They also likely view kernel-level anti-cheats as, for the benefits they provide, having too large of downsides. (providing a third-party company kernel-level access via a closed-source program)
If you’re concerned about privacy just dual boot windows in a separate SSD to play games and use Linux and Graphene OS.
In another thread in this comment section I mention UEFI rootkits and firmware implants (kernel-level access is strong starting point for this). Your solutions do not address these issues, which could be important to someone. (Depending on their threat-model)
First, kernel level anti cheat is more akin to a business owner installing very invasive cameras, on your person, and they watch every little thing you do, including going to the bathroom. If they see something they don’t like, you gtfo of their store. Don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t willingly agree to go into a store like that.
Second, in a game like battlefield… Who cares if someone is cheating? It’s not a competitive shooter like CS or Valorant. If someone is cheating, change servers…
If you really care about cheating that much, get a console. Stop giving these companies the okay to install rootkits on your PC.
Riot head of anti-cheat Phillip Koskinas cleared up the misunderstanding in an X post earlier this week.
“Vanguard is compatible with Javelin, and you don’t need to uninstall one anti-cheat to use the other. However, BF6 does not currently allow the VALORANT client to be running simultaneously, because both drivers race to protect regions of game memory with the same technique.”
So, you can play play BF6 and VALORANT at the same time… not exactly a massive issues unless you’re running a mainframe, I guess?
Why did you link an article that you haven’t read?
From your article:
AnAveragePlayer tried to run both games simultaneously on his PC, which led to the problems.
This is generally not a particularly good idea, as both programs compete for the available hardware.
The problem can be easily solved by not trying to play two games at the same time. Which is actually impossible with two fast-paced first-person shooters.
The point of posting it was to provide further context to evidence my claim, that users are getting errors that tell them to uninstall Valorant.
Yep, its also true that this happens when you have both games or their launchers running simultaneously, and this can seemingly be solved by not doing that.
Still, a poorly worded error code often causes great confusion… as … evidenced by this entire situation.
Both the OP and the article are both about a Reddit post by one user who got a weird error when trying to run both games at the same time.
Then the lead developer at Riot responded on X explaining that the error was caused by running both clients at the same time.
That’s the entire story.
There’s nothing presented, in either article, that suggests that it is a widespread problem.
Just because the clickbait press is reporting the same story with different headlines doesn’t mean it is a widespread problem. They’re both writing about the same Reddit post and the same X reply.
Open beta required to watch twitch for 30 minutes to get a key to get early access. Got key, doesn’t work, says it’s invalid. Load up game, can’t play because it’s only early access beta and locked.
Try again the next day, now the game won’t even start up saying secure boot must be enabled. Check bios, secure boot is enabled.
Guess I can’t play BF6?
You know software with more access than I have is quality when even the error messages have typos. Fuck that, I’m not installing malware to play any videogame…
Goddamnit, I sort of kind of predicted this would eventually happen with Kernel level ACs… about 24 hrs before this started happening.
Now, I was describing it in a context of someone trying to run like an extra Kernel level AC over a game that had a non Kernel AC… to make it ‘more secure’…
But yeah, this is pretty much back to the olds days of McAffee and Norton fighting each other and identifying each other as malware, when they’re both installed at the same time and always running.
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First up you’re comparing two completely different scales of bad things happening. If someone cheats in a game it doesn’t really meaningfully affect anyone, having your house broken into is a direct threat on your property. Locking a door has minimal downsides but allowing someone who can be trusted less than most corporations to have root access to your entire computer has a pile of risks and opens doors for worse. If anticheat is just to deter cheating then there’s no justification to have more access. If you can’t handle maybe having a match ruined then you shouldn’t be playing online games.
Bootlicker spotted.
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For kernel-level anti-cheats its quite simple. Those in opposition to kernel-level anti-cheats likely view locking a door as a small task with minimal downsides, which could reasonably deter an opportunistic criminal, or buy you time to escape with your life or call the police.
They also likely view kernel-level anti-cheats as, for the benefits they provide, having too large of downsides. (providing a third-party company kernel-level access via a closed-source program)
In another thread in this comment section I mention UEFI rootkits and firmware implants (kernel-level access is strong starting point for this). Your solutions do not address these issues, which could be important to someone. (Depending on their threat-model)
First, kernel level anti cheat is more akin to a business owner installing very invasive cameras, on your person, and they watch every little thing you do, including going to the bathroom. If they see something they don’t like, you gtfo of their store. Don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t willingly agree to go into a store like that.
Second, in a game like battlefield… Who cares if someone is cheating? It’s not a competitive shooter like CS or Valorant. If someone is cheating, change servers…
If you really care about cheating that much, get a console. Stop giving these companies the okay to install rootkits on your PC.
No, I rely on a bro from Riot Games to come round and lock me in, so they can be sure I won’t go out at night and commit crimes.
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The headline makes it sound worse than it is.
From the article:
So, you can play play BF6 and VALORANT at the same time… not exactly a massive issues unless you’re running a mainframe, I guess?
People running BF6 have been getting error messages that seem to tell them they need to entirely uninstall Valorant.
https://www.global-esports.news/battlefield/please-uninstall-valorant-battlefield-6-surprises-with-an-absurd-error-message-but-there-is-a-logical-explanation/
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Stop believing everything I read on the internet. Okay I don’t believe this comment I read on the internet…
Try reading the articles, not the headline.
I don’t believe this comment since I read it on the internet.
Isn’t it past your bedtime?
Why did you link an article that you haven’t read?
From your article:
I did read it.
The point of posting it was to provide further context to evidence my claim, that users are getting errors that tell them to uninstall Valorant.
Yep, its also true that this happens when you have both games or their launchers running simultaneously, and this can seemingly be solved by not doing that.
Still, a poorly worded error code often causes great confusion… as … evidenced by this entire situation.
Both the OP and the article are both about a Reddit post by one user who got a weird error when trying to run both games at the same time.
Then the lead developer at Riot responded on X explaining that the error was caused by running both clients at the same time.
That’s the entire story.
There’s nothing presented, in either article, that suggests that it is a widespread problem.
Just because the clickbait press is reporting the same story with different headlines doesn’t mean it is a widespread problem. They’re both writing about the same Reddit post and the same X reply.
It’s a non story
My experience with BF6.
Open beta required to watch twitch for 30 minutes to get a key to get early access. Got key, doesn’t work, says it’s invalid. Load up game, can’t play because it’s only early access beta and locked. Try again the next day, now the game won’t even start up saying secure boot must be enabled. Check bios, secure boot is enabled. Guess I can’t play BF6?
Article lost me at “The Girlies Are Fighting…”
Was this written by a sad puppy?
:gong_show_gong.gif:
I’m very impressed and aroused by your ability to get lost. Thanks for sharing
You know software with more access than I have is quality when even the error messages have typos. Fuck that, I’m not installing malware to play any videogame…
Let them fight.
Goddamnit, I sort of kind of predicted this would eventually happen with Kernel level ACs… about 24 hrs before this started happening.
Now, I was describing it in a context of someone trying to run like an extra Kernel level AC over a game that had a non Kernel AC… to make it ‘more secure’…
But yeah, this is pretty much back to the olds days of McAffee and Norton fighting each other and identifying each other as malware, when they’re both installed at the same time and always running.
Awesome.
I can barely trust security companies to not screw up, let alone a game company running something at kernel level
Yep, every day “security solution Y had/has critical vulnerability”. And every second day “no patches yet”.