I currently use an iPhone, but given the recent attacks made by the US president and members of his administration on my country (tariffs, annexation threats,etc) I am loathe to support any company based out of that nation any longer. Obviously I know that it is likely impossible to get a functional mobile experience with zero US corporate involvement, but what is the least possible I could do and still be practical? A degoogled fair phone device? Something Chinese running a custom rom like lineage os?
I want to sell my iPhone and Apple Watch ASAP and get something that won’t have my sending money to the US via my app purchases (store cut), monthly services (iCloud), and my data being used/sold.
Hard part is software distribution. You can buy Chinese phones but what app store? Can focus on open source applications. Use F-Droid. I have an iPhone and an older Pixel 7. In the past I’ve had ZTE phones. I guess you can buy a Chinese phone with a Mediatek processor that has YMTC memory chips and … whatever else
Desktop/laptop you should and encourage other to try Linux. Something common. Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Even if it’s US based, supporting Linux and open source software aligns with what you want
Open source software isn’t tied to countries. Unless you consider every developer, every person evil just and only because they’re American, it shouldn’t even matter if the project leader is American as no money goes to US companies anyway
Not being stupid here, but: do you need to? I completely understand and support the anger, but what in-app purchases are you making and can’t you stop making them? You can switch to the free iCloud account (so they don’t get money) and download/delete your content so they don’t have access to it.
I think your data being used is the big one, but it leads down a big privacy hole; you’ll have to decide how far you want you take that.
I’m just wondering if you’ll end up giving more money to them by buying a new phone, Rather than sticking with your current phone, stopping in-app purchases, deleting iCloud, and installing privacy protection.
I remember when Chinese phones used to have a thriving custom rom scene. Then one by one they started locking their crap down or making tools available for it poor enough that custom rom support died out.
If you want a phone that can run a degoogled rom without voiding warranty and don’t mind some American parts Fairphone
If you don’t care about warranty or some American parts you have a lot of choices. Samsung is Korean, Sony Xperia is Japanese, etc
If you want a phone that has absolutely no American parts (which means avoiding the Qualcomm chips in the above phones) you are limited to Chinese phones and really to Huawei. Xiaomi still uses some Qualcomm chips. This will make using western apps a bit of a chore though as they will have to be sideloaded, they won’t be available through the huawei appgallery and the kirin chips don’t support 5g. These are degoogled though. I don’t think you’re in the us based on your post but just in case you are these won’t work in the USA, carriers may not activate them bc sanctions
Qualcomm is hard to get around for cellular modems but their stranglehold is finally starting to get broken. Mediatek (Taiwan), Samsung (Korea), Huawei (China), etc are making cellular modem ics now. Even within America apple finally released theirs with the newest iphone that just released the other day
I’m unfamiliar but some brief searching shows they use kigen for sim handling and mediatek for processor/modem so it appears they also have little to no American parts, though I’m not sure of this
if your in the EU give fairphone a look, over 7 years of updates promised for the fairphone 5 in addition to being one of the more repairable phones out there
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Maybe Jolla with SailfishOS would be the best bet.
They had significant Russian funding last I knew. Has that changed?
Anything second-hand, really.
Hard part is software distribution. You can buy Chinese phones but what app store? Can focus on open source applications. Use F-Droid. I have an iPhone and an older Pixel 7. In the past I’ve had ZTE phones. I guess you can buy a Chinese phone with a Mediatek processor that has YMTC memory chips and … whatever else
Desktop/laptop you should and encourage other to try Linux. Something common. Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Even if it’s US based, supporting Linux and open source software aligns with what you want
Open source software isn’t tied to countries. Unless you consider every developer, every person evil just and only because they’re American, it shouldn’t even matter if the project leader is American as no money goes to US companies anyway
If you want to cost a company money, calling and talking to a person is a big expense for any company.
Not being stupid here, but: do you need to? I completely understand and support the anger, but what in-app purchases are you making and can’t you stop making them? You can switch to the free iCloud account (so they don’t get money) and download/delete your content so they don’t have access to it.
I think your data being used is the big one, but it leads down a big privacy hole; you’ll have to decide how far you want you take that.
I’m just wondering if you’ll end up giving more money to them by buying a new phone, Rather than sticking with your current phone, stopping in-app purchases, deleting iCloud, and installing privacy protection.
Right. Purchasing new sends money to the ultra rich somewhere in the world.
Second hand Pixel phone and install GrapheneOS on it.
https://grapheneos.org/
Something chinese (lol)
Not really.
Chinese phones sold in the west still have Google Play Services, which give google (potential) ad revenue.
So you just get spied on by BOTH the NSA and the Chinese Intelligence Agencies.
I mean you could get the chinese domestic versions. I think Huawei has ones with stripped domestic Android.
I remember when Chinese phones used to have a thriving custom rom scene. Then one by one they started locking their crap down or making tools available for it poor enough that custom rom support died out.
If you want a phone that can run a degoogled rom without voiding warranty and don’t mind some American parts Fairphone
If you don’t care about warranty or some American parts you have a lot of choices. Samsung is Korean, Sony Xperia is Japanese, etc
If you want a phone that has absolutely no American parts (which means avoiding the Qualcomm chips in the above phones) you are limited to Chinese phones and really to Huawei. Xiaomi still uses some Qualcomm chips. This will make using western apps a bit of a chore though as they will have to be sideloaded, they won’t be available through the huawei appgallery and the kirin chips don’t support 5g. These are degoogled though. I don’t think you’re in the us based on your post but just in case you are these won’t work in the USA, carriers may not activate them bc sanctions
Qualcomm is hard to get around for cellular modems but their stranglehold is finally starting to get broken. Mediatek (Taiwan), Samsung (Korea), Huawei (China), etc are making cellular modem ics now. Even within America apple finally released theirs with the newest iphone that just released the other day
Ulefone is a great option if you don’t care about security updates and want to beat something to death with your phone.
I dropped my power armor 13 while getting out of my car one day and left a half-dollar sized dent in my door frame.
I’m unfamiliar but some brief searching shows they use kigen for sim handling and mediatek for processor/modem so it appears they also have little to no American parts, though I’m not sure of this
Used pixel, put grapheneos on it.
Helps prevent e-waste and youll end up with a fully functioning phone
This is a very good option
Yes, used is the way to go to be the most socially and anti-capitalist conscious.
Yep buying used is the route to go to not directly source a company with new revenue.
Samsung is basically all Korean?
Probably a Huawei.
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Nothing Phone is British, if I remember correctly
Samsung is from South Korea, and their flagships are on par with iPhones.
if your in the EU give fairphone a look, over 7 years of updates promised for the fairphone 5 in addition to being one of the more repairable phones out there