I grew up with Nintendo and Pokémon too. However, if you had an NES when you were 7, you are no longer Pokémon’s target demographic. We just aren’t. I like playing the games, but they’re targeted at a much younger audience.
I’m probably the same age or a bit younger than OP, but I think we ARE the target demography because many of us are willing to buy these games for our kids :(
Yup, lemmy users frequently seem to have this strange idea that lemmy is somehow representative of the Nintendo customer base. I agree that I find Nintendo’s business practices terrible and their last Pokemon mainline title was frankly boring and uninteresting. But the reality is also that Scarlet/Violet was the second-best selling Pokemon game ever.
And then repeat the mistakes of companies like Harley where their demographic is literally dying off?
I think it would make sense for their core games to stay targeted at the youth. Then use their spin offs like Legends to try new things like a more “mature” game.
See this is where you ignored the last part of my comment. If you hadn’t you’d get why the Harley example makes absolutely no sense
Nintendo could make some pretty small QOL adjustments that would make older fans very happy and not really make much of a difference at all to younger fans.
I never suggested to make their games more mature. There’s plenty to do that’s still friendly to their target demographic that would still keep the older demographics engaged
the problem is masuda, he clearly stated he was going to make slop int the first iteration of the switch console(sword and shield), and every other game. and people still bought it and complained about it.
the card game is almost unplayable because of scalping.
Maybe when I said they didn’t need “radical changes” you thought I meant they shouldn’t change the games? Because I meant they wouldn’t have to make any radical changes to their current products to make them more appealing to their older fans. I’m saying they could keep basically all the changes that make the modern games modern and add some simple things like menu options for difficulty and maybe some optional content similar to old events (contests, pokeathelon, etc.) or a really a long list of small tweaks that dobt change the modern games much at all. Just enough change to make them more appealing and challenging for those that want that.
I’d be interested in understanding if people who think Pokemon is becoming irrelevant spend any time outside of Lemmy or their own circles. I see so much hate for Nintendo and Pokemon specifically, but as a parent and someone who spends a lot of time at kids’ activities, I see no sign of either slowing down.
I may not like Nintendo as a business and a lot of Pokemon games are too similar for my taste, but pretending they are in decline seems crazy to me.
They’re out of touch but don’t realize it for the exact same reasons that theyre out of touch in the first place. It’s literally just the Abe Simpson speech about not being “with it” anymore
i feel like alot of the current customers are milleneals who grew up with pokemon, at least in the competitive scene, its all grown ass people fighting over a kids game, and scalping it.
That just isn’t true. Pokemon never became unpopular, but only had some lesser years. I have a 13 yo half brother and pokemon has been an ever popular thing in his whole school.
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I grew up with Nintendo and Pokémon too. However, if you had an NES when you were 7, you are no longer Pokémon’s target demographic. We just aren’t. I like playing the games, but they’re targeted at a much younger audience.
I’m probably the same age or a bit younger than OP, but I think we ARE the target demography because many of us are willing to buy these games for our kids :(
Yup, lemmy users frequently seem to have this strange idea that lemmy is somehow representative of the Nintendo customer base. I agree that I find Nintendo’s business practices terrible and their last Pokemon mainline title was frankly boring and uninteresting. But the reality is also that Scarlet/Violet was the second-best selling Pokemon game ever.
llikely due the pandemic, where nobody has anything to do at home, so naturally people are going buy pokemon games more than before.
How long until people can stop blaming the pandemic for things?
Right that’s the issue they keep targeting the same age group when they did have the option to try and keep their old fans too.
Honestly the core games could easily have all included the hard mode from B/W2 would have probably kept me engaged for at least a couple or more games
They really didn’t need any radical changes to keep their old fans either
And then repeat the mistakes of companies like Harley where their demographic is literally dying off?
I think it would make sense for their core games to stay targeted at the youth. Then use their spin offs like Legends to try new things like a more “mature” game.
See this is where you ignored the last part of my comment. If you hadn’t you’d get why the Harley example makes absolutely no sense
Nintendo could make some pretty small QOL adjustments that would make older fans very happy and not really make much of a difference at all to younger fans.
I never suggested to make their games more mature. There’s plenty to do that’s still friendly to their target demographic that would still keep the older demographics engaged
the problem is masuda, he clearly stated he was going to make slop int the first iteration of the switch console(sword and shield), and every other game. and people still bought it and complained about it.
the card game is almost unplayable because of scalping.
A simple demonstration of this are the Yugioh and Digimon franchises which consistently appeal to a wide age range.
pokemon just had better marketing, yugioh and digimon are much more complex than pokemon(probably too complex for the simplicity of pokemon).
A toggleable hard mode is really that much to ask for?
A menu option to disable exp share?
Fuck man just give me another pokeathlon
I don’t see how any of these optional things would ruin the expirence, be expensive to implement, or are that much to ask for.
Hell I’d love to be able to go into buildings again, but I guess that would ruin the games irrevocably
I’m blind in that case because I don’t see anything that contradicts the Harley example in your statement.
Maybe when I said they didn’t need “radical changes” you thought I meant they shouldn’t change the games? Because I meant they wouldn’t have to make any radical changes to their current products to make them more appealing to their older fans. I’m saying they could keep basically all the changes that make the modern games modern and add some simple things like menu options for difficulty and maybe some optional content similar to old events (contests, pokeathelon, etc.) or a really a long list of small tweaks that dobt change the modern games much at all. Just enough change to make them more appealing and challenging for those that want that.
That could be the confusion.
Except kids don’t give a shit about Pokémon, and the only ones that do is because of their parents.
I got twin 6year olds. Pokemon is huge in their circles. Played through one of the latest games with them on switch over the last year.
I’d be interested in understanding if people who think Pokemon is becoming irrelevant spend any time outside of Lemmy or their own circles. I see so much hate for Nintendo and Pokemon specifically, but as a parent and someone who spends a lot of time at kids’ activities, I see no sign of either slowing down.
I may not like Nintendo as a business and a lot of Pokemon games are too similar for my taste, but pretending they are in decline seems crazy to me.
They’re out of touch but don’t realize it for the exact same reasons that theyre out of touch in the first place. It’s literally just the Abe Simpson speech about not being “with it” anymore
https://youtu.be/5DlTexEXxLQ
Except I guess in this case, they’re still with it, just don’t realize that it is still… It? I’ve lost my own plot
i feel like alot of the current customers are milleneals who grew up with pokemon, at least in the competitive scene, its all grown ass people fighting over a kids game, and scalping it.
That just isn’t true. Pokemon never became unpopular, but only had some lesser years. I have a 13 yo half brother and pokemon has been an ever popular thing in his whole school.
i remember pokemon kinda fell off for a few years, before coming back with black and white.
Well I will shut up then, it seems I’m not around kids enough to know what they are into.
Got a 9 year old, him & his friends are into Pokemon.
I didn’t say it was their largest audience, but it’s clearly who is targeted. They don’t care about you and I. We’re already fans, they need new fans.