How would you be critical of the answer without also doing a traditional search to compare its answer?
If you have to search and verify the answer anyway, didn’t we just add an unnecessary step to the process?
You can have knowledge of the technology firsthand and just need to generate the code? I mean I would need to google different function names and conversion tricks all the time anyway, even if I’m really good at it. If AI slops it for me, it just speeds it up by a lot, and I can notice bad moments.
Again, the better you know what you are doing, the more it could help.
That would be all well and good, if corpos weren’t pushing AI as a technology that everyone should be using all the time to reshape their daily lives.
The people most attracted to AI as a technology (and the ones that AI companies are marketing to the hardest) are the ones who want to use it for things where they don’t already have domain-specific expertise. Non-artists generating art, or non-coders making apps on “vibes”, etc. Have you ever heard of Travis Kalanick? He’s one of the co-founders of Uber and he recently made the news after he went on some podcast to breathlessly rave about how he’s been using LLMs to do “vibe physics”. Kalanick, as you can guess, is not a physicist. In fact he’s not a scientist of any kind.
The vast, vast majority of people using AI aren’t using it to augment their existing skills, and they aren’t using their own expertise to evaluate the output critically. This was never the point nor the promise of AI, and it’s certainly not the direction that the people pushing this technology are attempting to push it.
AI marketing is total BS, but it doesn’t mean AI is not useful in it’s current state. People try to argue as if that was the case, but it simply isn’t. Agentic AI + LLM does speed up usual tasks by a whole fucking lot.
Next day, these people would be wondering why they don’t have access to essential tools they need to be effective (means of production), completely forgotten they were against these tools completely out of principle. This is as shortsighted as it can get.
AI marketing is total BS, but it doesn’t mean AI is not useful in it’s current state.
But the AI only exists because of the marketing BS! The fact that AI is useful to qualified people in specialized fields doesn’t matter when the technology is being mass marketed to a completely different group of people for completely different use cases.
LLMs are called “large” for a reason — their existence demands large datasets, large data centers, large resource consumption, and large capital expenditure to secure all of those things. The only entries with the resources to make that happen are large corporations (and rich nation-states, but they seem to be content to keep any of their own LLM efforts under wraps for now). You can only say “don’t blame the technology, blame the technologist” when it’s possible to separate the two, but in this case it’s not. LLMs don’t exist without the corpos, and the corpos are determined to push LLMs into places and use cases where they have no business being.
You misunderstood, I wasn’t saying you can’t Ctrl Z after using the output, but that the process of training an AI on a corpus yields a black box. This process can’t be reverse engineered to see how it came up with it’s answers.
It can’t tell you how much of one source it used over another. It can’t tell you what it’s priorities are in evaluating data… not without the risk of hallucinating on you when you ask it.
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]
Welcome to the largest gaming community on Lemmy! Discussion for all kinds of games. Video games, tabletop games, card games etc.
Rules
1. Submissions have to be related to games
Video games, tabletop, or otherwise. Posts not related to games will be deleted.
This community is focused on games, of all kinds. Any news item or discussion should be related to gaming in some way.
2. No bigotry or harassment, be civil
No bigotry, hardline stance. Try not to get too heated when entering into a discussion or debate.
We are here to talk and discuss about one of our passions, not fight or be exposed to hate. Posts or responses that are hateful will be deleted to keep the atmosphere good. If repeatedly violated, not only will the comment be deleted but a ban will be handed out as well. We judge each case individually.
3. No excessive self-promotion
Try to keep it to 10% self-promotion / 90% other stuff in your post history.
This is to prevent people from posting for the sole purpose of promoting their own website or social media account.
4. Stay on-topic; no memes, funny videos, giveaways, reposts, or low-effort posts
This community is mostly for discussion and news. Remember to search for the thing you’re submitting before posting to see if it’s already been posted.
We want to keep the quality of posts high. Therefore, memes, funny videos, low-effort posts and reposts are not allowed. We prohibit giveaways because we cannot be sure that the person holding the giveaway will actually do what they promise.
5. Mark Spoilers and NSFW
Make sure to mark your stuff or it may be removed.
No one wants to be spoiled. Therefore, always mark spoilers. Similarly mark NSFW, in case anyone is browsing in a public space or at work.
6. No linking to piracy
Don’t share it here, there are other places to find it. Discussion of piracy is fine.
We don’t want us moderators or the admins of lemmy.world to get in trouble for linking to piracy. Therefore, any link to piracy will be removed. Discussion of it is of course allowed.
You actually can, and you should be. And the process is not destructive since you can always undo in tools like cursor, or discard in git.
Besides, you can steer a good coding LLM in a right direction. The better you understand what are you doing - the better.
How would you be critical of the answer without also doing a traditional search to compare its answer? If you have to search and verify the answer anyway, didn’t we just add an unnecessary step to the process?
You can have knowledge of the technology firsthand and just need to generate the code? I mean I would need to google different function names and conversion tricks all the time anyway, even if I’m really good at it. If AI slops it for me, it just speeds it up by a lot, and I can notice bad moments.
Again, the better you know what you are doing, the more it could help.
But if you know what you’re doing, you can do a better job than the “AI”…??? This is a weird argument
With infinite time, sure. Time isn’t infinite.
That would be all well and good, if corpos weren’t pushing AI as a technology that everyone should be using all the time to reshape their daily lives.
The people most attracted to AI as a technology (and the ones that AI companies are marketing to the hardest) are the ones who want to use it for things where they don’t already have domain-specific expertise. Non-artists generating art, or non-coders making apps on “vibes”, etc. Have you ever heard of Travis Kalanick? He’s one of the co-founders of Uber and he recently made the news after he went on some podcast to breathlessly rave about how he’s been using LLMs to do “vibe physics”. Kalanick, as you can guess, is not a physicist. In fact he’s not a scientist of any kind.
The vast, vast majority of people using AI aren’t using it to augment their existing skills, and they aren’t using their own expertise to evaluate the output critically. This was never the point nor the promise of AI, and it’s certainly not the direction that the people pushing this technology are attempting to push it.
AI marketing is total BS, but it doesn’t mean AI is not useful in it’s current state. People try to argue as if that was the case, but it simply isn’t. Agentic AI + LLM does speed up usual tasks by a whole fucking lot.
Next day, these people would be wondering why they don’t have access to essential tools they need to be effective (means of production), completely forgotten they were against these tools completely out of principle. This is as shortsighted as it can get.
But the AI only exists because of the marketing BS! The fact that AI is useful to qualified people in specialized fields doesn’t matter when the technology is being mass marketed to a completely different group of people for completely different use cases.
LLMs are called “large” for a reason — their existence demands large datasets, large data centers, large resource consumption, and large capital expenditure to secure all of those things. The only entries with the resources to make that happen are large corporations (and rich nation-states, but they seem to be content to keep any of their own LLM efforts under wraps for now). You can only say “don’t blame the technology, blame the technologist” when it’s possible to separate the two, but in this case it’s not. LLMs don’t exist without the corpos, and the corpos are determined to push LLMs into places and use cases where they have no business being.
Openweight/Opensource LLMs do exist though. And isn’t not only tiny models.
You misunderstood, I wasn’t saying you can’t Ctrl Z after using the output, but that the process of training an AI on a corpus yields a black box. This process can’t be reverse engineered to see how it came up with it’s answers.
It can’t tell you how much of one source it used over another. It can’t tell you what it’s priorities are in evaluating data… not without the risk of hallucinating on you when you ask it.