More than a request, I think it’s a deserving clarification. We’re getting mob outrage against Valve, Itch.io etc… while it’s just Visa/MasterCard/Paypal laughing on everyone back.
Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.
It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.
That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.
Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.
Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these ‘calls’ for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.
Avoid using credit cards as much as possible
Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.
You can do individual action yourself today and right now. It doesn’t hurt shilling online for systematic change. This trope is getting tiring. God forbid a pleb does a thing
I don’t buy that, why would they have to care what these people think? Credit card companies have a history of being hostile to adult content, I think it’s because the people who own them have an interest in controlling others.
Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.
They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What’s a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats
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Well if you want to peel the onion another layer, you should really be mad at laywers and our litigious society as a whole, payment processors don’t have morality, nothing in capitalism does - they are responding, just like valve, to external pressures.
It’s specifically due to a moral panic group, Collective Shout, pressuring credit card companies to do this. Litigation isn’t really part of it, just angry organized people on the Internet.
Maybe we can angrily organize against them?
How do they apply pressure though? (they threaten to sue)
Do you know that or are you speculating?
Corporations do not give a single fuck about “angry, organized people”, only money.
They care about bad PR. Angry, organized people can create lots of bad PR.
Look, this whole subthread is jumping to conclusions based on speculation. Maybe they are using legal strategies, but that’s not obvious.
Don’t believe that either.
I’m not jumping to conclusions, I’m asking questions.
Where did you ask a question in this reply chain?
Not me but
Bro lawyer is just a hired gun, they will do whatever guy paying says. They have no agency.
Executives, BoD and shareholders with controlling stakes make these calls.
Avoid using credit cards as much as possible, deny the parasite profit and network effects.
That was my point, that pressure is always external and they are not making moral decisions.
Yeah with the external driver of the bottom line, no one is making these ‘calls’ for any sort of purpose other than the profit driver.
Sure, and my paper straws are saving the environment too, right? Individual action changes nothing, changes in law/enforcement is the only proven path to change.
You can do individual action yourself today and right now. It doesn’t hurt shilling online for systematic change. This trope is getting tiring. God forbid a pleb does a thing
Sure you can, you can do whatever you want. My point is it will have zero effect on anything.
Actually every dollar spent away from credit card proxessors denies them 3 cents of revenue and something like .75% in profit per dollar spent
But you do you, keep consuming how daddy told you to do it. Never adjust your behaviour to save money ✊
mmmm yes America Daddy, hurt me so good, I love it! Trillion dollar industry is DEF hurting by me denying them pennies. You have awoken me, thank you!
I don’t buy that, why would they have to care what these people think? Credit card companies have a history of being hostile to adult content, I think it’s because the people who own them have an interest in controlling others.
Nope, there are human beings that make decisions and those human beings have beliefs.
Yes, totally agreed that the people making decisions have beliefs. Hard disagree if you think the head of Visa is consulting his/her/their ‘beliefs’ when voting on multi-billion dollar decisions.
Okay, you’re allowed to be wrong
Thank you kindly 😘
What if they believe that being associated with adult games will hurt the bottom line?
They basically have mon/du/triopolies in their field. Deciding to take less money is the only thing that hurts their bottom line. What’s a noisy group of a dozen assholes going to do, use a different processor? The very thing that allowed them to pressure the other companies is what makes them immune from these stupid threats