SMH @ activists using techno-fascist platforms for communications during an operation subject to state-actor level interference. I thought we recognised and acknowledged this problem 15-20 years ago already.
Doesn’t really matter, it’s the metadata that reveals your connections and locations. Surprisingly big amount of useful (but not necessarily correct or verifiable) intel can be gathered without eavesdropping into the actual conversations.
People have been - on other occasions - targeted because they were connected to a person, who’s connections may have been suspicious to some state actors.
My point was that even one phone with the WhatsApp app itself can mean compromised opsec. No matter if it’s used for operational communication or not, or whether or not the messages can be read by 3rd parties or not.
With all respect to a privacy advocates(I’m one), but blaming them on using WhatsApp is besides the point, these people are not trying to hide their activities, or locations, and many of them are not tech-saavy, the shame is on the cess pool that is Meta, and all the other goons…this is so fucked up on so many levels.
blaming them on using WhatsApp is besides the point
WhatsApp admins are explicitly interfering with a public protest in order to satisfy a genocidal foreign government.
This is at least as big a deal as TikTok censorship of anti-China posters. It’s just on behalf of a US ally, so we’re defending it rather than threatening to interfere in their business practices in turn.
the shame is on the cess pool that is Meta
Who appoints WhatsApp administration heads if not Meta? It’s the same picture.
Totally consistent Meta is joined at the hip with US government and therefore more or less in league with Zionists, neocons and Israel just like every american big tech, bank and media company.
Amazing that they weren’t using Signal for comms outside their group, but for internal comms it’s even more amazing they weren’t using something like Meshtastic.
A friend of mine was taking over his family farm with access to open moorland for grazing and as an experiment we wanted to see if we could implement tracking without giving a monthly small fortune to a company for a proprietary product or noisy polluting methods like a helicopter. BLE beacons are cheap and long-lasting so each cow got one, and we bodged together about twenty solar powered Meshtastic nodes with GPS that were small enough to be worn on their collars (since the cows tend to heard together only one in the group needs a node), plus another dozen we could install at choke points on the land (old gates, land bridges, etc) the cows were likely to traverse. The nodes were like this, but smaller and shitter. The nodes were programmed to report every time they saw a BLE beacon nearby, with the mobile ones also reporting their own GPS location, all being fed into Home Assistant for mapping. I just checked and apparently, aside from a couple of storm-damaged fixed nodes and replacement batteries it’s still going strong after two years.
I wouldn’t rule it out. But you can’t do public comms over Signal.
it’s even more amazing they weren’t using something like Meshtastic.
Again, I wouldn’t rule it out. But if I’m on a public group that’s very likely compromised by the IDF, I’m not going to announce all the other protocols they need to block.
He’s just reporting one avenue that’s been closed to the protesters by a corporate entity that is now complicit in genocide.
Sounds like this group is more of a social media vibe group, rather then a group interested in real undermining of Zionism. Maybe stop being pawns for slacktivists with rich parents and try joining the PLO instead?
Keep in mind the tweet refers to the group chat as used by the flotilla to communicate with their European supporters, not necessarily for their internal communications.
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Meta is complicit in the genocide
Not the first genocide, either
Maybe consider Signal instead?
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WhatsApp Supports starving children to death
Meta*
Was this their main channel of communication or just a group they had for supporters?
Doesn’t really matter, it’s the metadata that reveals your connections and locations. Surprisingly big amount of useful (but not necessarily correct or verifiable) intel can be gathered without eavesdropping into the actual conversations. People have been - on other occasions - targeted because they were connected to a person, who’s connections may have been suspicious to some state actors.
Huh? I was just curious, because it’s quite different if they used this as their main-channel. Using WhatsApp for that would be crazy.
My point was that even one phone with the WhatsApp app itself can mean compromised opsec. No matter if it’s used for operational communication or not, or whether or not the messages can be read by 3rd parties or not.
This is why you don’t use whatsapp
ftfy
A sad reality of political activism is the inability of many groups to follow proper opsec.
With all respect to a privacy advocates(I’m one), but blaming them on using WhatsApp is besides the point, these people are not trying to hide their activities, or locations, and many of them are not tech-saavy, the shame is on the cess pool that is Meta, and all the other goons…this is so fucked up on so many levels.
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I don’t think Meta’s the one they’re going against, here
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WhatsApp admins are explicitly interfering with a public protest in order to satisfy a genocidal foreign government.
This is at least as big a deal as TikTok censorship of anti-China posters. It’s just on behalf of a US ally, so we’re defending it rather than threatening to interfere in their business practices in turn.
Who appoints WhatsApp administration heads if not Meta? It’s the same picture.
Very odd from Whatsapp.
Totally consistent Meta is joined at the hip with US government and therefore more or less in league with Zionists, neocons and Israel just like every american big tech, bank and media company.
Lol wut? Meta has been working with the IOF and NSO and US for years
All the more reason to use Signal.
Amazing that they weren’t using Signal for comms outside their group, but for internal comms it’s even more amazing they weren’t using something like Meshtastic.
Can only say a person who has never used meshtastic.
Source: The struggle.
Not sure what you mean. I use Meshtastic a lot, both as a hobby but also for remote sensor reading and herd tracking. Works a treat.
I know this is off topic, but herd tracking? Critters? I’m always curious about people’s lives.
Cows.
A friend of mine was taking over his family farm with access to open moorland for grazing and as an experiment we wanted to see if we could implement tracking without giving a monthly small fortune to a company for a proprietary product or noisy polluting methods like a helicopter. BLE beacons are cheap and long-lasting so each cow got one, and we bodged together about twenty solar powered Meshtastic nodes with GPS that were small enough to be worn on their collars (since the cows tend to heard together only one in the group needs a node), plus another dozen we could install at choke points on the land (old gates, land bridges, etc) the cows were likely to traverse. The nodes were like this, but smaller and shitter. The nodes were programmed to report every time they saw a BLE beacon nearby, with the mobile ones also reporting their own GPS location, all being fed into Home Assistant for mapping. I just checked and apparently, aside from a couple of storm-damaged fixed nodes and replacement batteries it’s still going strong after two years.
That’s cool as hell
Thank you for telling me about meshtastic!
For anyone like me who never heard of it before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meshtastic
I wouldn’t rule it out. But you can’t do public comms over Signal.
Again, I wouldn’t rule it out. But if I’m on a public group that’s very likely compromised by the IDF, I’m not going to announce all the other protocols they need to block.
He’s just reporting one avenue that’s been closed to the protesters by a corporate entity that is now complicit in genocide.
So the Trump ass-kissers have given the King of Fools another gift for his pleasure. The cost to freedom is immense
Sounds like this group is more of a social media vibe group, rather then a group interested in real undermining of Zionism. Maybe stop being pawns for slacktivists with rich parents and try joining the PLO instead?
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They literally broadcast their location publicly on their website.
This public tracking is the only reason they didn’t all get murdered on the last boat
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Keep in mind the tweet refers to the group chat as used by the flotilla to communicate with their European supporters, not necessarily for their internal communications.
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Maybe the aim of the flotilla was to just make people aware that there are activists who are worried about gaza. Just to create media buzz.
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At least they werent organising on discord, maybe its intentional to send a message to people about meta
another reason why not to use whatsapp? for all that is good, don’t use meta or any corporate technofascist company. there are better options.