Is it really that big of a deal? I just upgraded to a 9900x and am playing Yakuza kiwami 2 and several vr games including half life alyx at max settings. On the rare occasion I drop below 120fps, the bottleneck has very clearly been my 6700xt. I don’t think I’ve seen the cpu ever come close to maxing out
Nah like unless your game is a cpu intensive game (older games come into mind) any recent cpu will do just fine. Hell even a 5600 still chugs for 99% of all games
Cache is just a slight optimization and your gpu matters a lot more for gaming. The only other benefit is a bit better power draw, which is like nothing in the grand scheme of things.
I don’t think I’ve seen the cpu ever come close to maxing out
You bought a Camaro for an hour long daily commute stuck in traffic.
It’s not going to be bad, it’s just if all you do is game then you’re not using what you paid for. You could be getting the same performance for much less price and electricity.
Gaming performance might be a little worse than an x3d (probably not), but you’d need a crazy card for a cpu bottleneck so it doesn’t matter.
You said that buying a CPU like mine, with a slightly smaller cache, was a bad idea specifically for gaming. I’m not clear on why it makes a big difference.
Literally just asking you to explain your own claim of “cache makes a huge difference for gaming,” and instead you walk that back, pretend like I said anywhere that ALL I do with it is game, and get sassy on top of that. Smdh
pretend like I said anywhere that ALL I do with it is game,
No, I said no one should buy this for gaming…
No one should buy this for gaming…
You’ve misunderstood everything I said, and now you’re taking an attitude because you don’t know what’s happening. Which honestly is a very normal reaction, it’s just the threshold that’s surprising.
Me explaining anything to you is just going to be frustrating on both sides, so I’ll take the easy step to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Caches in this case is all about data lookup. Consistently used data/instructions will be stored on the cache and being able to read from it means not needing to read from slower storage (in this case, it would be your ram). The x3d has a larger cache, letting your cpu store more and thus do quicker lookups, but in most games, this only nets you marginal benefits. Modern cpus are not the bottleneck for games anymore.
The x3ds are the best for gaming… Which means overkill if not using a higher end gpu.
But it depends on what gpu and motherboard you have, then if you’re just trying upgrade CPU or build new.
Tomshardware isn’t as good as it used to be, but they do a good job with their comparisons for cpus and gpus.
If you’re not changing your GPU anytime soon, use an online calculator to find out what CPU matches it so you don’t bottleneck. A little either way isn’t a big deal.
Having v-cache on one CCD is not an issue. It seems most of the scheduler issues have been fixed and that was just software. It would be nice to have v-cache on both, but it actually adds more complexity.
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No one should buy this for gaming…
Great CPU, but if you’re gaming you want the x3d because of caches and other “small” improvements that give huge graphics gains.
Is it really that big of a deal? I just upgraded to a 9900x and am playing Yakuza kiwami 2 and several vr games including half life alyx at max settings. On the rare occasion I drop below 120fps, the bottleneck has very clearly been my 6700xt. I don’t think I’ve seen the cpu ever come close to maxing out
Nah like unless your game is a cpu intensive game (older games come into mind) any recent cpu will do just fine. Hell even a 5600 still chugs for 99% of all games
Cache is just a slight optimization and your gpu matters a lot more for gaming. The only other benefit is a bit better power draw, which is like nothing in the grand scheme of things.
You bought a Camaro for an hour long daily commute stuck in traffic.
It’s not going to be bad, it’s just if all you do is game then you’re not using what you paid for. You could be getting the same performance for much less price and electricity.
Gaming performance might be a little worse than an x3d (probably not), but you’d need a crazy card for a cpu bottleneck so it doesn’t matter.
You said that buying a CPU like mine, with a slightly smaller cache, was a bad idea specifically for gaming. I’m not clear on why it makes a big difference.
For the same reason buying a Camaro to sit in traffic would be a bad idea…
You have one, and it’s going to be fine for gaming.
But for someone who has yet to buy one, they could pay less and get better gaming performance from an x3d.
If it still doesn’t make sense, I’d advise asking someone else
Literally just asking you to explain your own claim of “cache makes a huge difference for gaming,” and instead you walk that back, pretend like I said anywhere that ALL I do with it is game, and get sassy on top of that. Smdh
No, I said no one should buy this for gaming…
You’ve misunderstood everything I said, and now you’re taking an attitude because you don’t know what’s happening. Which honestly is a very normal reaction, it’s just the threshold that’s surprising.
Me explaining anything to you is just going to be frustrating on both sides, so I’ll take the easy step to make sure it doesn’t happen again.
Caches in this case is all about data lookup. Consistently used data/instructions will be stored on the cache and being able to read from it means not needing to read from slower storage (in this case, it would be your ram). The x3d has a larger cache, letting your cpu store more and thus do quicker lookups, but in most games, this only nets you marginal benefits. Modern cpus are not the bottleneck for games anymore.
What should one buy for gaming and when is next gen potentially coming out? My 12700k isn’t struggling atm or anything, just curious.
The x3ds are the best for gaming… Which means overkill if not using a higher end gpu.
But it depends on what gpu and motherboard you have, then if you’re just trying upgrade CPU or build new.
Tomshardware isn’t as good as it used to be, but they do a good job with their comparisons for cpus and gpus.
If you’re not changing your GPU anytime soon, use an online calculator to find out what CPU matches it so you don’t bottleneck. A little either way isn’t a big deal.
I’m in the market for 5090, a small bottleneck is expected. But I’m aiming to ride it out till next year on this.
Then you’ll probably need the newest x3d.
But you’re going to have to wait for people to get their hands on it to know for sure what will bottleneck it
It was $569 at Microcenter. Nice.
That’s an attractive price that will last maybe 2 GPU upgrades.
Don’t buy the 9950x3D because the 3D v-cache is only on one set of CCX.
Having v-cache on one CCD is not an issue. It seems most of the scheduler issues have been fixed and that was just software. It would be nice to have v-cache on both, but it actually adds more complexity.
wonder what the x3ds price is gonna be