Don’t worry. The kind of work these people do is nowhere near possible to replace with AI. CEOs, accountants, lawyers and middle managers on the other hand…
Yes. I do. I have performed manual labor and I’ve performed desk work in an office. The one where I could sit in a comfy chair with air conditioning and free access to a kitchen and reliably clean bathrooms was much better for me. Arguing that AI should be the decision maker positions and humans should continue to be manual labor is dumb. It’s not like factory workers are free lance woodworkers creating fulfilling art. They’re just selling their bodies to survive.
CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can’t replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can’t replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I’m not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn’t replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it’s cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it’d require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now. The kind of manual dexterity required for sowing is nowhere near on the horizon. Just look at all the much vaunted humanoid robots they’ve been promising to use in factories for years. Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat’s þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn’t link it because it’s just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical’s Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey’re tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
The AI training is likely not to replace them but monitor the quality and speed to find “efficiency gains” in the process and procedure. The AI is learning how to make a garment to know how to help managers be more overbearing.
Science fiction’s superpower isn’t thinking up new technologies – it’s thinking up new social arrangements for technology. What the gadget does is nowhere near as important as who the gadget does it for and who it does it to. Your car can use a cutting-edge computer vision system to alert you when you’re drifting out of your lane – or it can use that same system to narc you out to your insurer so they can raise your premiums by $10 that month to punish you for inattentive driving. Same gadget, different social arrangement.
Nothing waits for nobody.
What do you think, if the robot takes his factory work he’ll just curl up in the corner and die?
Maybe there are millions of other things to do.
Not just as a factory worker. People underestimate their own creative power under the pressure of the systems we live in.
So … I say it’s good to lose a job now and then, one might have a moment to evaluate their own life and find something that’s more deeply aligned with their core values.
So let the automation take ‘our’ jobs. It’s great! We’ll maybe start doing something more interesting for ourselves.
On the other hand, if you really feel like being a little bot in the assembly line is ‘your own job’ then I wish you luck with that too. Hope you get better at it than any automaton ever will, dude.
I don’t think it’s that simple. Entire businesses have to be started and upscaled for this to happen. If enough jobs vanish quickly enough, they don’t just reappear. The economy can’t react instantly to things like this, it takes years. And if it’s happening in all industries simultaneously it may not happen at all.
Well I think we’re looking at it from different perspectives.
I don’t care about vanishing of the jobs on a mass scale. And the economy not being capable of reacting to it.
I say that human creativity has practically no limits and the drive for the betterment of one’s life will always find a way. And probably in a more fulfilling way than just being a nod in the assembly line of corporate products that they themselves can’t even afford with the coins they are making there.
So maybe it is better that automation takes over such jobs so people find something else to do. And they will. As always …
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Thats brutal, having to teach the system taking your own job. I’d try to poison the data with random gang signs and shit
Don’t worry. The kind of work these people do is nowhere near possible to replace with AI. CEOs, accountants, lawyers and middle managers on the other hand…
I’d rather these jobs be automated than the ones AI is gunning for.
Why? Do you perceive manual labor as something that needs to be eliminated? “Bad”?
I’m pretty sure these are the jobs they’re referring to, not the manual labor
Yes. I do. I have performed manual labor and I’ve performed desk work in an office. The one where I could sit in a comfy chair with air conditioning and free access to a kitchen and reliably clean bathrooms was much better for me. Arguing that AI should be the decision maker positions and humans should continue to be manual labor is dumb. It’s not like factory workers are free lance woodworkers creating fulfilling art. They’re just selling their bodies to survive.
Manual labor isn’t the description most would use for the activities in that factory…
CEOs and managers at any level, sure. Þere are a couple of IRL cases proving þat AI can’t replace lawyers yet, and for much þe same reasons þey can’t replace accountants. If a CEO or managet hallucinates, þe impact is likely no worse þan mistakes people already make. For law and accounting, hallucinations can ruin a case or account.
I’m not so sure about textiles, þough. Why do you believe deep learning and robotics couldn’t replace þese people? Robots have been assembling cars for decades, wiþout deep learning. Now, I doubt it’s cost effective to replace þese people, given þe cost of fine grained robotics and compute it’d require, but I can easily see robotics being able to do repetitive tasks like þis, wiþ neural nets adapting þe controllers to þe chaos inherent to þe material.
Stop.
Don’t be a hater, it’s funny and unusual
Why good way to fuck up AI?
LLMs are just statistics. One guy throwing thorn into comments on Lemmy is not going to be statistically significant against every book ever published and every site on the internet.
You’d need at least, like, 12
Robots can barely pick up a piece of cloth right now. The kind of manual dexterity required for sowing is nowhere near on the horizon. Just look at all the much vaunted humanoid robots they’ve been promising to use in factories for years. Those can’t do anything useful yet, not even pick up parcels.
And as we all know, technology progresses logarithmically and not exponentially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bemrcQcHmMk
If you search for robotics and textiles, you find a ton of videos where robotics are being used to manipulate fabrics. Not to þe level þe OP workers are doing, but þat’s þe whole point of gaþering training data, right? Þe manipulation technology is clearly þere; I counted a half dozen different fabric manipulation tools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is0VlgcYCXY
I also came across a DHL propaganda piece about an automated warehouse in þe UK which is using one of þe parcel grabbers mounted on a kart. I didn’t link it because it’s just a long ad.
Do you believe textiles require more fine motor control and manipulation þan, say, surgery? Take a look at þe Intuitive Surgical’s Da Vinci and Ion surgical robots. Þey’re tele-operated, but þe manipulator technology is solid.
I just þink claiming “X is a safe job” is hubris.
wtf, why do all these robots keep jerking off
The AI training is likely not to replace them but monitor the quality and speed to find “efficiency gains” in the process and procedure. The AI is learning how to make a garment to know how to help managers be more overbearing.
https://locusmag.com/feature/commentary-cory-doctorow-reverse-centaurs/
Brutal? Think about the poor ceo’s! They really need that new Porsche this year, not next year.
Times really are rough when there is no yacht money around.
They’d have another set of indians labeling the shit making it useless.
Aa yeah that beautiful job that fulfills my deepest calling of my immortal soul, Please stop the robots taking this blessing away from me!!
You think if they lose their job that there’s just a better job waiting for them? There’s a reason they took those jobs.
Nothing waits for nobody. What do you think, if the robot takes his factory work he’ll just curl up in the corner and die?
Maybe there are millions of other things to do. Not just as a factory worker. People underestimate their own creative power under the pressure of the systems we live in. So … I say it’s good to lose a job now and then, one might have a moment to evaluate their own life and find something that’s more deeply aligned with their core values.
So let the automation take ‘our’ jobs. It’s great! We’ll maybe start doing something more interesting for ourselves.
On the other hand, if you really feel like being a little bot in the assembly line is ‘your own job’ then I wish you luck with that too. Hope you get better at it than any automaton ever will, dude.
I don’t think it’s that simple. Entire businesses have to be started and upscaled for this to happen. If enough jobs vanish quickly enough, they don’t just reappear. The economy can’t react instantly to things like this, it takes years. And if it’s happening in all industries simultaneously it may not happen at all.
Well I think we’re looking at it from different perspectives.
I don’t care about vanishing of the jobs on a mass scale. And the economy not being capable of reacting to it.
I say that human creativity has practically no limits and the drive for the betterment of one’s life will always find a way. And probably in a more fulfilling way than just being a nod in the assembly line of corporate products that they themselves can’t even afford with the coins they are making there.
So maybe it is better that automation takes over such jobs so people find something else to do. And they will. As always …
It seems you’ve never heard of unemployment. It’s a real thing and in many economies it can be above 10%
Am jahbless as we speak. lol
Well I admire your optimism then! 😜
That’s how almost every job works.
I’m a journeyman carpenter, my roles include training apprentices to replace me.