So let’s have that philosophical discussion again like when we had with elden ring mods and artistic/designer intent.
So the biggest philosophical difference to me is that mods are done with a human artistic intent behind it and in the end it’s up to the individual gamer to seek out and decide if that’s something they want to include in their game. It’s the fact that some person, one individual decided that yup, I’m going to add big ol’ tit’s to Grace and throw her into thong and pasties while revisiting her mother’s death. At least that gal understood what the intent of the scene/game was but made that conscious decision of “nah, let me change it to what I personally would like to see because I’m just a thirsty bastard.”. And even with these types of mods, yes there is a level of respect and gratitude of the original developers inherit in modding.
It’s something unique based on this one person’s interpretation of the game that they’re sharing with other gamers. On the other end of the spectrum, we as individual games can play the game and then make the decision of if we want to incorporate that transformative artists decision or not and we can decide to completely respect the designers original intent or reject/alter it.
DLSS 5 there is no artistic intent behind it just corporation’s algorithm that’s not agreeing, understanding the tone behind things, saying and whole sale adjusting everything according to a model that normalizes everything to some average model. Plus while you can say that developers can have a say with tools to maximize or minimize the effects, which another article I posted seems to point out that those tools of control may be over blown, there’s been no inkling that the gamer themselves can decide if they want to use it or not. And let’s not be coy with some bullshit about “Well you can turn DLSS off”, no you really can’t because this shit has been used as a crutch for game development to get to a respectable frame rate for reasons so now both developers and gamers are forced to bring in a corporations non-artistic vision into their games.
To me that human artistic factor is one part of the key and the decision to say fuck it I want the game to look like a bad only fans filter and the ultimate choice of the human gamer themselves to decide to use it or not is the other part of it and why to me DLSS 5 is bullshit slop.
If you want to us AI as the tool to help you make dream a reality, there are plenty there for modeling and helping to make textures, that’s fine.
If you want generative AI to make you just make you model based on someone else’s art work, then to me as part of my values and morality, No. At that point you’ve lost any point of artistic intent when you’re letting AI, using other people’s design, other people’s artistic intent and style to make something for you. It’s not your art, your artistic intent you’re sharing at that point.
Also, even if you did do that, I as a gamer would still have the option to never use your AI slop of a mod, which is the other part of my argument on why mods are different from DLSS 5.
Why? This is exactly the same creative intent, I just used a tool you do not like to achieve a similar result. You using someone assets to replace Skyrim NPCs with Shrek or me using genAI to do the same is quite literally the same “artistic intent”.
Again, the key distinction to me is that a human had the idea and created it not fucking AI, not a mishmash other artists styles and ideas, it’s a unique individual’s idea and style that is ultimately produced.
If you use AI as the main creator then you’ve lost control of artistic vision because it’s not yours anymore. There’s a fine line between using a tool to help you get to something and stealing another person’s idea.
So let’s go with your Shrek analogy. At some point a human created Shrek as a unique idea and made it come to life. Now you want to use Shrek as in mod as a NPC, at that point my view is you’ve got no actual creative artistic intent there, you’re just using another humans idea but at some point at least it was a humans unique idea and if you had no idea how to make that into a 3d model to incorporate into your game then AI tools could help you make a Shrek model. I won’t call it AI slop completely but I’d definitely call it uninspired garbage and a complete theft of another persons idea without adding anything of substance but at least I could understand that you liked Shrek and wanted Shrek in your game, original game designer be damned I want Shrek all the time. And again, with mods, I’m free to never, ever install your mod.
To me human intent and choice is the biggest difference even with your analogy you would at least you would understand what the artists intent for the game was and made the conscious decision that Shrek would be better suited in the game and not generative AI going in and simply replacing everyone’s face with Shrek because a model stated Shrek’s face was what the model’s if/else statements averaged out between a whole set of pictures faces.
Irrelevant to your point? Damn, so you don’t even understand your own argument then.
Your first line is literally this:
It’s astonishing to me that PC gamers are suddenly so focused on the “creative intent” of game visuals
and then you’re the one who starts equating mods and how they’ve been altering “creative intent” and implying DLSS 5’s generative AI is no different.
The whole argument about this tech is ALL about creative intent when DLSS is not understanding the game and forcing an algorithmic take on the creative intent not just about how bad it looks.
Fuck man, get your shit in order with a coherent stance and argument.
Dude, you’re the one that brought up that gamers don’t care about the developers artistic intent and then brought in modding as the example of that and implying DLSS is no different just that it looks bad.
I present the counter argument that modding is respecting artistic intent and creates mode that modifies things because they actually respect the game, respect what the developers wanted but wanted to substitute and add their own artistic style and desires via mods.
Honestly at this point I have no fucking clue what your augment it because it’s all over the damn place when the article is referencing that developers are concerned that DLSS is overriding their artistry without understanding their intent and now your talking about GPU shortages which has no fucking bearing on anything being discussed.
And do you even understand what a personal attack is? Pointing out that you made a literal argument about artistic intention and then gaslighting to say you didn’t argue about artistic intention isn’t a personal attack. You calling me an idiot is and is a big ol’ ad-hominem attack, and the refuge of a person not actually serious about having a conversation.
But you are right, I am an idiot. I’m an idiot for thinking you actually had anything coherent or worthwhile to say.
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So let’s have that philosophical discussion again like when we had with elden ring mods and artistic/designer intent.
So the biggest philosophical difference to me is that mods are done with a human artistic intent behind it and in the end it’s up to the individual gamer to seek out and decide if that’s something they want to include in their game. It’s the fact that some person, one individual decided that yup, I’m going to add big ol’ tit’s to Grace and throw her into thong and pasties while revisiting her mother’s death. At least that gal understood what the intent of the scene/game was but made that conscious decision of “nah, let me change it to what I personally would like to see because I’m just a thirsty bastard.”. And even with these types of mods, yes there is a level of respect and gratitude of the original developers inherit in modding.
It’s something unique based on this one person’s interpretation of the game that they’re sharing with other gamers. On the other end of the spectrum, we as individual games can play the game and then make the decision of if we want to incorporate that transformative artists decision or not and we can decide to completely respect the designers original intent or reject/alter it.
DLSS 5 there is no artistic intent behind it just corporation’s algorithm that’s not agreeing, understanding the tone behind things, saying and whole sale adjusting everything according to a model that normalizes everything to some average model. Plus while you can say that developers can have a say with tools to maximize or minimize the effects, which another article I posted seems to point out that those tools of control may be over blown, there’s been no inkling that the gamer themselves can decide if they want to use it or not. And let’s not be coy with some bullshit about “Well you can turn DLSS off”, no you really can’t because this shit has been used as a crutch for game development to get to a respectable frame rate for reasons so now both developers and gamers are forced to bring in a corporations non-artistic vision into their games.
To me that human artistic factor is one part of the key and the decision to say fuck it I want the game to look like a bad only fans filter and the ultimate choice of the human gamer themselves to decide to use it or not is the other part of it and why to me DLSS 5 is bullshit slop.
Replacing every NPC with a big boobies naked women is an artistic intent.
Human artistic intent and human choice to have every NPC with big boobies naked women and giant, and I mean giant, dongs naked men.
That’s the key.
So if I want to implement an AI tool that would automatically makes every game look like shit, this is also my human artistic intent.
If you want to us AI as the tool to help you make dream a reality, there are plenty there for modeling and helping to make textures, that’s fine.
If you want generative AI to make you just make you model based on someone else’s art work, then to me as part of my values and morality, No. At that point you’ve lost any point of artistic intent when you’re letting AI, using other people’s design, other people’s artistic intent and style to make something for you. It’s not your art, your artistic intent you’re sharing at that point.
Also, even if you did do that, I as a gamer would still have the option to never use your AI slop of a mod, which is the other part of my argument on why mods are different from DLSS 5.
Why? This is exactly the same creative intent, I just used a tool you do not like to achieve a similar result. You using someone assets to replace Skyrim NPCs with Shrek or me using genAI to do the same is quite literally the same “artistic intent”.
Again, the key distinction to me is that a human had the idea and created it not fucking AI, not a mishmash other artists styles and ideas, it’s a unique individual’s idea and style that is ultimately produced.
If you use AI as the main creator then you’ve lost control of artistic vision because it’s not yours anymore. There’s a fine line between using a tool to help you get to something and stealing another person’s idea.
So let’s go with your Shrek analogy. At some point a human created Shrek as a unique idea and made it come to life. Now you want to use Shrek as in mod as a NPC, at that point my view is you’ve got no actual creative artistic intent there, you’re just using another humans idea but at some point at least it was a humans unique idea and if you had no idea how to make that into a 3d model to incorporate into your game then AI tools could help you make a Shrek model. I won’t call it AI slop completely but I’d definitely call it uninspired garbage and a complete theft of another persons idea without adding anything of substance but at least I could understand that you liked Shrek and wanted Shrek in your game, original game designer be damned I want Shrek all the time. And again, with mods, I’m free to never, ever install your mod.
To me human intent and choice is the biggest difference even with your analogy you would at least you would understand what the artists intent for the game was and made the conscious decision that Shrek would be better suited in the game and not generative AI going in and simply replacing everyone’s face with Shrek because a model stated Shrek’s face was what the model’s if/else statements averaged out between a whole set of pictures faces.
This seems completely irrelevant to my point. The problem isn’t that it’s against the developer’s artistic intentions, it’s that it looks like shit.
Who cares what the artist intended?
Irrelevant to your point? Damn, so you don’t even understand your own argument then.
Your first line is literally this:
and then you’re the one who starts equating mods and how they’ve been altering “creative intent” and implying DLSS 5’s generative AI is no different.
The whole argument about this tech is ALL about creative intent when DLSS is not understanding the game and forcing an algorithmic take on the creative intent not just about how bad it looks.
Fuck man, get your shit in order with a coherent stance and argument.
Oh so you’re just a troll.
No I’m a human that can at least understand my own argument.
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Dude, you’re the one that brought up that gamers don’t care about the developers artistic intent and then brought in modding as the example of that and implying DLSS is no different just that it looks bad.
I present the counter argument that modding is respecting artistic intent and creates mode that modifies things because they actually respect the game, respect what the developers wanted but wanted to substitute and add their own artistic style and desires via mods.
Honestly at this point I have no fucking clue what your augment it because it’s all over the damn place when the article is referencing that developers are concerned that DLSS is overriding their artistry without understanding their intent and now your talking about GPU shortages which has no fucking bearing on anything being discussed.
And do you even understand what a personal attack is? Pointing out that you made a literal argument about artistic intention and then gaslighting to say you didn’t argue about artistic intention isn’t a personal attack. You calling me an idiot is and is a big ol’ ad-hominem attack, and the refuge of a person not actually serious about having a conversation.
But you are right, I am an idiot. I’m an idiot for thinking you actually had anything coherent or worthwhile to say.