We’ll see. I hope you’re right. Similar tactics in the housing market have created situations in which rent is cheaper than mortgage payments, which is a bad portent.
what? no they haven’t. Rent is usually more expensive than mortgage payments we just set up the finanical system to disallow most renters from taking out a mortgage because its more profitable to trap people in an endless cycle of payment.
I mean, I’ve already got a backlog of 100+ Steam and GOG games I haven’t played yet, plus something like 1000+ retro game ROMs, and I’m happy to go digging in the crates as it were. There are already more games available than I’ll have time to play in my lifetime.
They push cloud gaming and I go fuck off entirely.
Do you play Call of Duty every release?No? Because millions of people do.Do you think your actions are offsetting that?Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Based on your tone, you come from the Randy Pitchford school of public relations.
If you’re uncertain about what I’m getting at, my recent spending on Borderlands, and Borderlands related goods, averages out to zero dollars and zero cents.
I don’t think Indie games are going anywhere. If anything, this is probably an opportunity for them to feast.
The big AAA titles that, by our own admission, we already aren’t playing? They may go a different direction that we don’t like, but they also aren’t a product (or service, as it may become) for me.
I’m not worried about this happening. Your top shelf hardware might stop selling in the consumer market, but most indies will run on a potato. You can run a lot of them via emulation on cell phones.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.Same as with everything.I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
I understand your thesis, but am offering mine as a wholesale replacement instead of a rebuttal:
The entire gaming industry produces non-essential goods.
No one video game, nor the entire industry, have a monopoly on entertainment.
I dictate what products and services I want, the video game industry does not.
If the industry doesn’t produce products that I want, the industry gets zero of my entertainment dollars, or attention.
I can and will spend my entertainment dollars elsewhere, and have experienced zero stress as a result.
Why “fight” an industry that needs you more than you need it? They cannot stop me from disregarding them, which certainly makes getting money out of me a challenge.
I cannot stress enough how much of a Them problem this actually is.
I’m just trying to explain to you that YOU might do your thing, but YOU do not sway the industry.
I’ve known and understood the dangers of dark practices, yet those companies were rewarded regardless of me not buying into them and warning others.
All I’m saying is that you and I represent an insignificant minority of money in gaming, and if the majority won’t shop for PC hardware, that will cease to be sold. Completely. You and I will not change that.
I’m just trying to explain to you that YOU might do your thing, but YOU do not sway the industry.I’ve known and understood the dangers of dark practices, yet those companies were rewarded regardless of me not buying into them and warning others.All I’m saying is that you and I represent an insignificant minority of money in gaming, and if the majority won’t shop for PC hardware, that will cease to be sold. Completely. You and I will not change that.
Like I said, I understand your Resistance is Futile story. As a separate topic for self-exploration, you might want to reflect on the outcome you’re actually trying to achieve, and why you’re going all-out to explain that being defiant in the face of the unacceptable is pointless.
Anyhow, since all of that nonsense sucks ass, I will continue contributing zero dollars, and zero cents to non-essential industries that sell shit that i don’t want, at price points and with subscription schemes that I didn’t ask for.
The other example that I set, is not striving to be the bucket of ice water dumped on other people’s refusal to bend the knee.
In the simplest of terms, I’m advocating for fighting for your life when attacked, and you’re suggesting that you may as well do nothing when attacked, unless you know you will win.
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
Depends on how close you are to the server and your Internet connection. For me when my Internet isn’t having a bad day, the latency is good even for twitchy shooting games. I wouldn’t rely on it for a competitive game full match length, but anything single player is good. Pretty much anything that isn’t super fast paced twitchy is good. GeForce Now is how I first tried Cyberpunk path tracing. Worked great
I remember trying out games on GeForce Now, Gamepass, and Luna around the same time. GeForce Now and Luna latency wasn’t a problem for me. Gamepass was frequently really bad
I’m not subscribed to anything anymore. Just wanted to try them out. Only when there’s a deal. Forgot to subscribe for one month 50% last month so I’ll wait again. Probably a summer month when I want to game but not use my desktop
Interesting. I have 5gbps fiber so I wonder if it’d be good. I’m just struggling to understand how it could be, lol. I don’t really game anymore though. Thanks for the reply!
You can Google your city and distance to closest GeForce Now data center or other video game streaming service. I’m like 300-400 km away from a data center hosting geforce now
Depending on location. Same city 3 years ago no data cap. Current neighborhood first had a data cap that had overage fees or pay an extra $50 a month for uncapped. Now with a service provider that does throttling after a point during congestion
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What im hearing is that if we want those things sooner and at a reasonable price, we should do anything and everything possible to pop the AI bubble.
I admire your optimism, but I think this will get used as leverage for a push to cloud gaming. The end goal is for us to own nothing.
Edit: Spelling
They’re certainly welcome to attempt selling that to me.
They won’t like the outcome, but that’s more of a them problem.
We’ll see. I hope you’re right. Similar tactics in the housing market have created situations in which rent is cheaper than mortgage payments, which is a bad portent.
what? no they haven’t. Rent is usually more expensive than mortgage payments we just set up the finanical system to disallow most renters from taking out a mortgage because its more profitable to trap people in an endless cycle of payment.
I mean, I’ve already got a backlog of 100+ Steam and GOG games I haven’t played yet, plus something like 1000+ retro game ROMs, and I’m happy to go digging in the crates as it were. There are already more games available than I’ll have time to play in my lifetime.
They push cloud gaming and I go fuck off entirely.
Doesn’t that rely on everyone having a fast internet connection with a high data cap? That’s not the case for a lot of people
Do you play Call of Duty every release?
No? Because millions of people do.
Do you think your actions are offsetting that?
Because they are not. Nobody is going to sell hardware to a couple thousand folk who won’t get in with the times.
Based on your tone, you come from the Randy Pitchford school of public relations.
If you’re uncertain about what I’m getting at, my recent spending on Borderlands, and Borderlands related goods, averages out to zero dollars and zero cents.
I’m telling you that we are in a minority.
And that unless we can convince at least 50% of gamers to not buy into that, we lost.
EA should have been bankrupt twenty times over, but people keep buying their games.
Same as with everything.
I keep fighting, but this fight has been lost since the start.
How have we “lost”?
I don’t think Indie games are going anywhere. If anything, this is probably an opportunity for them to feast.
The big AAA titles that, by our own admission, we already aren’t playing? They may go a different direction that we don’t like, but they also aren’t a product (or service, as it may become) for me.
Again: if majority of players stop buying PC hardware, it will not be sold AT ALL. That’s it. Indies will fade slowly after.
I’m not worried about this happening. Your top shelf hardware might stop selling in the consumer market, but most indies will run on a potato. You can run a lot of them via emulation on cell phones.
I understand your thesis, but am offering mine as a wholesale replacement instead of a rebuttal:
The entire gaming industry produces non-essential goods.
No one video game, nor the entire industry, have a monopoly on entertainment.
I dictate what products and services I want, the video game industry does not.
If the industry doesn’t produce products that I want, the industry gets zero of my entertainment dollars, or attention.
I can and will spend my entertainment dollars elsewhere, and have experienced zero stress as a result.
Why “fight” an industry that needs you more than you need it? They cannot stop me from disregarding them, which certainly makes getting money out of me a challenge.
I cannot stress enough how much of a Them problem this actually is.
I’m just trying to explain to you that YOU might do your thing, but YOU do not sway the industry.
I’ve known and understood the dangers of dark practices, yet those companies were rewarded regardless of me not buying into them and warning others.
All I’m saying is that you and I represent an insignificant minority of money in gaming, and if the majority won’t shop for PC hardware, that will cease to be sold. Completely. You and I will not change that.
Like I said, I understand your Resistance is Futile story. As a separate topic for self-exploration, you might want to reflect on the outcome you’re actually trying to achieve, and why you’re going all-out to explain that being defiant in the face of the unacceptable is pointless.
Anyhow, since all of that nonsense sucks ass, I will continue contributing zero dollars, and zero cents to non-essential industries that sell shit that i don’t want, at price points and with subscription schemes that I didn’t ask for.
The other example that I set, is not striving to be the bucket of ice water dumped on other people’s refusal to bend the knee.
In the simplest of terms, I’m advocating for fighting for your life when attacked, and you’re suggesting that you may as well do nothing when attacked, unless you know you will win.
GeForce Now performs well but it’s already seeing further limits put in place. Gamepass already saw price hikes. Amazon Luna has a terribly small library. Smaller players have to buy GPUs, memory, and processor’s too and contend with AI data center induced rising power costs. Plus data center location matters a huge amount and that’s still a work in progress for game streaming services and a lot of the world
Plus my Internet throttles after like 1.5TB a month. Fine for ~15mbps Netflix. Not so good for ~100mbps game streaming. Others have data caps or overage fees. There certainly are those with uncapped/unthrottled internet. I wish my neighborhood had that
Game streaming is going mainstream going to get worse short term too. Mostly pricing and worse usage limits
A midrange phone these days are power competitive with a PS4. Makes more sense for Steam’s future support android APKs because of the Steam Frame to make way for Steam to be an Android game store and devs target Switch-PS4 hardware on the low end and PS5 mid/high end. Don’t even entertain the idea of a PS6 level min requirements game for a game releasing this decade. Probably not even for the first half of the 2030s
I haven’t ever used game streaming, is it seriously that latency-free that it’s worth it? I just can’t imagine that.
Depends on how close you are to the server and your Internet connection. For me when my Internet isn’t having a bad day, the latency is good even for twitchy shooting games. I wouldn’t rely on it for a competitive game full match length, but anything single player is good. Pretty much anything that isn’t super fast paced twitchy is good. GeForce Now is how I first tried Cyberpunk path tracing. Worked great
I remember trying out games on GeForce Now, Gamepass, and Luna around the same time. GeForce Now and Luna latency wasn’t a problem for me. Gamepass was frequently really bad
I’m not subscribed to anything anymore. Just wanted to try them out. Only when there’s a deal. Forgot to subscribe for one month 50% last month so I’ll wait again. Probably a summer month when I want to game but not use my desktop
Interesting. I have 5gbps fiber so I wonder if it’d be good. I’m just struggling to understand how it could be, lol. I don’t really game anymore though. Thanks for the reply!
You can Google your city and distance to closest GeForce Now data center or other video game streaming service. I’m like 300-400 km away from a data center hosting geforce now
You guys have data caps? Or is that mobile broadband?
Depending on location. Same city 3 years ago no data cap. Current neighborhood first had a data cap that had overage fees or pay an extra $50 a month for uncapped. Now with a service provider that does throttling after a point during congestion
Well the pop would only cause more issues like lack of funds for anyone to even afford one of those things.
Possibly, but this doesn’t diminish my desire for that bubble to pop sooner rather than later.