The "Stop Destroying Videogames" initiative has received official accusations of it (and myself) of violating EU rules! These would be serious charges, exce...
I did not suggest that Youtube the service is going away. But I AM suggesting that a little bit of pressure on Google from ANY one of the major companies that would be affected by EU action on game preservation would EASILY cause them to just shut the channel down, or remove the video. If it gets enough following? EA just has to threaten to pull their ads with youtube, and it’s gone. It doesn’t even have to be visible. You’d never even know it. And even if you knew it, and wanted to counter, where else could you PUT it? You can put text ANYWHERE. Find me other places to host long-form video with any reliability.
I am ALSO not suggesting in the short term that there is somewhere he can get a bigger audience. I AM suggesting that in the LONG term the costs of using video as a platform are high.
And years from now is not about obsolescence, it’s about HISTORY. Ten, twenty years from now, will there be enough information available for someone to understand what’s happening now? The details of this moment? And it is RELEVANT. The details of what happened 20, 30 years ago inform everything that happens in the world now, just as the details of what’s happening NOW will inform the future. We ALREADY have people defending Nintendo running illegal pressure tactics because they don’t understand the history of what’s already decided law on emulation. What happens when people get to the future and need to know what happened here with SKG, and the detailed commentary is youtube videos, half of which have had their channels shut down or gone private, and the other half of which is in unsearchable algorithmic social media and discords that have disappeared? We live in a world where everyone screams their facts and half the people automatically follow it regardless of accuracy, and at the same time we’re putting our most detailed information into the most transient and ephemeral format possible. There are already millions of youtube videos that are just GONE. They can’t be seen… can’t even be searched - there’s not even a placeholder that something WAS there. Who’s to say there was anything? Who’s to say what it DID say? Are we relying on memory?
I can’t CONVINCE you that’s a bad idea. It should be self-evident. But if it isn’t, I can’t make it any clearer.
The ultimate solution is steering people away from video and back to text, which can be backed up and archived and duplicated easily and in perpetuity, and no, I don’t know how that happens. I don’t even know that it’s possible. But mark my words, this is not a benign, generational transition. This is a shift that’s going to have major negative consequences, and all the downvotes in the world will not change that reality.
Whining that you don’t like video and therefore no one else should use the format is just not productive. Do you want SKG to reach the audience it needs in order to succeed, or do you just want to be mad that other people like to watch videos?
Look, I’ll give you what you want. Yes, many, many more people saw the video because they want to watch video. It will have a bigger impact. Maybe even save the effort!
NONE of that answers any of the concerns that video as the default format of record is shortsighted and transient. It doesn’t address any of the concerns I’ve already listed. It doesn’t address the issue of LANGUAGE. It doesn’t address the issue of ACCESSIBILITY. It doesn’t address the issue of ARCHIVAL. If video is our primary method of communication and record keeping from here on, then our history is already lost. Our access to it is only through an untrustworthy gatekeeper and our own collective memory, which we have seen again and again over the past few decades is absolutely awful and in some cases worse than nothing. No victory we win now means ANYTHING if long term we forget the fight, and companies just come at it again when people are paying less attention and conditions are more favorable. Which is what’s happening. Again and again.
Nothing I say or do is going to convince people otherwise. People actively and gleefully gather with others who don’t like hard truths to convince each other that everything is fine, and that the convenient direction is the correct one, and they will continue to do so. But if you can honestly say, with all objectivity, that none of these problems are real or matter? Well, I’m glad to be an old fart who’s not going to live to see the fallout.
… Many more people saw the video because they want to watch (a) video. It will have a bigger impact.
This is the only part that matters.
NONE of that answers any of the concerns that video as a format of record is shortsighted and transient.
Nobody cares. Convenience matters.
It does address the issue of LANGUAGE.
There is no issue with language. The movement achieved 1.4 million signatures as intended despite Ross’ videos being in English.
Writing an essay doesn’t change this either… Unless… You’re somehow suggesting that Google Translate does a good job? That would be laughable. I really hope you’re not.
It doesn’t address the issue of ACCESSIBILITY.
YouTube has the most accessibility.
It doesn’t address the issue of ARCHIVAL (archiving?).
Only if Ross has deleted the video and the video project files from his computer.
But… Um… You do understand this initiative is more than a few videos on YouTube, right? So there’s a lot of “paper”-work surrounding it, including both written and recorded reactions to this initiative from muitiple parties.
If history preservation is such a BIG concern for you, you should know this is more than enough evidence for some far future archaeologist to piece together what this is all about.
Look, I’m beyond bored with this. Like I said - I’m not going to convince anyone here, clearly. You’ve got it ALL figured out. I’ve said my piece, you can take it or leave it, and we’ll just see how the future shakes out. I don’t have to win any arguments here. I am as certain as I am that the sun will come up tomorrow of what the future with video as our primary communication medium and storage is. Maybe you’ll turn out right, somehow, against all objective evidence to the contrary. I won’t live to see the outcome either way. You do you.
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I did not suggest that Youtube the service is going away. But I AM suggesting that a little bit of pressure on Google from ANY one of the major companies that would be affected by EU action on game preservation would EASILY cause them to just shut the channel down, or remove the video. If it gets enough following? EA just has to threaten to pull their ads with youtube, and it’s gone. It doesn’t even have to be visible. You’d never even know it. And even if you knew it, and wanted to counter, where else could you PUT it? You can put text ANYWHERE. Find me other places to host long-form video with any reliability.
I am ALSO not suggesting in the short term that there is somewhere he can get a bigger audience. I AM suggesting that in the LONG term the costs of using video as a platform are high.
And years from now is not about obsolescence, it’s about HISTORY. Ten, twenty years from now, will there be enough information available for someone to understand what’s happening now? The details of this moment? And it is RELEVANT. The details of what happened 20, 30 years ago inform everything that happens in the world now, just as the details of what’s happening NOW will inform the future. We ALREADY have people defending Nintendo running illegal pressure tactics because they don’t understand the history of what’s already decided law on emulation. What happens when people get to the future and need to know what happened here with SKG, and the detailed commentary is youtube videos, half of which have had their channels shut down or gone private, and the other half of which is in unsearchable algorithmic social media and discords that have disappeared? We live in a world where everyone screams their facts and half the people automatically follow it regardless of accuracy, and at the same time we’re putting our most detailed information into the most transient and ephemeral format possible. There are already millions of youtube videos that are just GONE. They can’t be seen… can’t even be searched - there’s not even a placeholder that something WAS there. Who’s to say there was anything? Who’s to say what it DID say? Are we relying on memory?
I can’t CONVINCE you that’s a bad idea. It should be self-evident. But if it isn’t, I can’t make it any clearer.
The ultimate solution is steering people away from video and back to text, which can be backed up and archived and duplicated easily and in perpetuity, and no, I don’t know how that happens. I don’t even know that it’s possible. But mark my words, this is not a benign, generational transition. This is a shift that’s going to have major negative consequences, and all the downvotes in the world will not change that reality.
You didn’t actually answer my question.
Whining that you don’t like video and therefore no one else should use the format is just not productive. Do you want SKG to reach the audience it needs in order to succeed, or do you just want to be mad that other people like to watch videos?
Look, I’ll give you what you want. Yes, many, many more people saw the video because they want to watch video. It will have a bigger impact. Maybe even save the effort!
NONE of that answers any of the concerns that video as the default format of record is shortsighted and transient. It doesn’t address any of the concerns I’ve already listed. It doesn’t address the issue of LANGUAGE. It doesn’t address the issue of ACCESSIBILITY. It doesn’t address the issue of ARCHIVAL. If video is our primary method of communication and record keeping from here on, then our history is already lost. Our access to it is only through an untrustworthy gatekeeper and our own collective memory, which we have seen again and again over the past few decades is absolutely awful and in some cases worse than nothing. No victory we win now means ANYTHING if long term we forget the fight, and companies just come at it again when people are paying less attention and conditions are more favorable. Which is what’s happening. Again and again.
Nothing I say or do is going to convince people otherwise. People actively and gleefully gather with others who don’t like hard truths to convince each other that everything is fine, and that the convenient direction is the correct one, and they will continue to do so. But if you can honestly say, with all objectivity, that none of these problems are real or matter? Well, I’m glad to be an old fart who’s not going to live to see the fallout.
This is the only part that matters.
Nobody cares. Convenience matters.
There is no issue with language. The movement achieved 1.4 million signatures as intended despite Ross’ videos being in English.
Writing an essay doesn’t change this either… Unless… You’re somehow suggesting that Google Translate does a good job? That would be laughable. I really hope you’re not.
YouTube has the most accessibility.
Only if Ross has deleted the video and the video project files from his computer.
But… Um… You do understand this initiative is more than a few videos on YouTube, right? So there’s a lot of “paper”-work surrounding it, including both written and recorded reactions to this initiative from muitiple parties.
If history preservation is such a BIG concern for you, you should know this is more than enough evidence for some far future archaeologist to piece together what this is all about.
Look, I’m beyond bored with this. Like I said - I’m not going to convince anyone here, clearly. You’ve got it ALL figured out. I’ve said my piece, you can take it or leave it, and we’ll just see how the future shakes out. I don’t have to win any arguments here. I am as certain as I am that the sun will come up tomorrow of what the future with video as our primary communication medium and storage is. Maybe you’ll turn out right, somehow, against all objective evidence to the contrary. I won’t live to see the outcome either way. You do you.