In the Office’s view, training a generative AI foundation model on a large and diverse dataset will often be transformative. The process converts a massive collection of training examples into a statistical model that can generate a wide range of outputs across a diverse array of new situations. It is hard to compare individual works in the training data—for example, copies of The Big Sleep in various languages—with a resulting language model capable of translating emails, correcting grammar, or answering natural language questions about 20th-century literature, without perceiving a transformation.

https://www.copyright.gov/ai/Copyright-and-Artificial-Intelligence-Part-3-Generative-AI-Training-Report-Pre-Publication-Version.pdf

You can read the whole doc. The part above is cherry picked. I haven’t read through the whole thing but at a glance, the doc basically explains how it depends. If the model is trained specifically to output one piece content, it wouldn’t be acceptable.

The waters are muddy but holy fuck does taking the copyright juggernauts side sound bloody stupid.

It uses the content in a different way for a different purpose. The part I highlighted above applies to it? Do you expect copyright laws to mention every single type of transformative work acceptable? You are being purposely ignorant.

By data aggregators, I strictly mean websites like Reddit, Shutterstock, deviant Art, etc. Giving them the keys would bring up the cost of building a state of the art model so that any open sourcing would be literally impossible. These models already cost in the low millions to develop.

Take video generation for instance, almost all the data is owned by YouTube and Hollywood. Google wanted to charge 300$ a month to use it but instead, we have free models that can run on high end consumer hardware.

Scraping has been accepted for a long time and making it illegal would be disastrous. It would make the entry price for any kind of computer vision software or search engine incredibly high, not just gen AI.

I’d love to have laws that forced everything made with public data to be open source but that is not what copyright companies, AI companies and the media are pushing for. They don’t want to help artists, they want to help themselves. They want to be able to dictate the price of entry which suits them and the big AI companies as well.

I’m all for laws to regulate data centers and manufacturing, but again, that’s not what is being pushed for. Most anti-AI peeps seem the be helping the enemy a lot more then they realize.

transformative use or transformation is a type of fair use that builds on a copyrighted work in a different manner or for a different purpose from the original, and thus does not infringe its holder’s copyright.

You can use a book to train an AI model, you can’t sell a translation just because you used AI to translate it. These are two different things.

Collage is transformative, and it uses copyrighted pictures to make completely new works of art. It’s the same principle.

It’s also important to understand that it’s a tool. You can create copyright infringing content with word, google translate or photoshop as well. The training of the model itself doesn’t infringe on current copyright laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformative_use

I guess it’s easy to win an argument if you put extreme views in everyone’s mouth and argue against that.

I doubt anyone thinks AI has more value then human made. Most are just being pragmatic, knowing that AI isn’t going away and most indie teams don’t have the budget for a dedicated texture guy. There is simply more to gain then to lose, and applauding copyright companies and data aggregators doesn’t solve the issues but just gives a handful of companies a monopoly when they push legislation with the help of your fervent support.

I have a backlog of games to get to so I’ll let other have the chance, just wanted to give you a thumbs up! Awesome idea! I’m sending all my spare goodluck I have your way.

Transformers, turok and mecha Godzilla come to mind. Not post apocalyptic per say but saying Sony owns robo dinos in a post apocalyptic future sounds fool hardy.

This is in no way good for us, the consumers. If it was Nintendo doing it, everyone be would be livid.

I’ve played a lot of good games that were blatant ripoffs. Companies shouldn’t own concepts, fuck Sony.

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Journalists are about to become a playable faction in battlefield

The fitgirl unpacker and installer? Tbh I never tried, everyone on the web simply said it didn’t work.

Proton can handle the game files but not the installer. So you have to install in wine and it’s a hassle. I install the games on my windows pc, zip them and then transfer them to my deck.

A remove HUD options. I’d also like it if they put a big warning in the graphics section explaining how higher graphics can affect the game.

I see a lot of people bitching about lag, but if my shit connection and potato PC can run the game on low, I’m pretty sure the complainers need to reduce their expectations, accept that they don’t have a top of the line computer anymore and bring down their settings.

I tend to clutch the remote when stressed. It’s highly frustrating when I’m in the middle of an intense gunfight and suddenly my character tries to melee. Having to push down and hold a thumb stick while doing other actions with my fingers makes my hand sore as well.

If you think Amazon’s cut should be lower, you’re free to make your own marketplace and compete.

The market is already captured.

The conversation is longer then two comments. It’s highly debatable if valve has a monopoly per the FTC definition, not being sued by them isn’t the bar. You don’t need to have 100% market share. You can have legal monopolies, but that wouldn’t make the gross hoarding of wealth (which is the underlining thread) defendable.

There is no doubt in my mind that they have, in common talk, a soft monopoly at minimum and are colluding and keeping the percentage taken high. If they were actually competing, he wouldn’t be able to afford all the boats.

There is a difference in the problematic being caused, not the ethics. The soft monopoly they all enjoy together as a group (Valve, Microsoft, etc) is having an effect on the industry. We as consumers get worst quality games in the end, because 30% of profits go directly to a few hosting companies. A lot of indie companies would still be around if the game store club wasn’t insanely greedy and artificially keeping such a huge part of the pie.

If it wasn’t the same, Gaben wouldn’t own a handful of boats worth a combined 1 000 000 000 $. That is 9 zeros for boats.

Valve has lawsuits in the work, although not from the FTC. The fact is Valve is just slightly above the other companies, but it’s a very low bar and that doesn’t negate their very real effect on the industry.

I bring up Amazon because your arguments apply to them. If I told you Bezos deserves all his wealth because he has a better platform then his competitors (all three of them) and offers an easy to use website with cheap delivery, you would probably call me a bootlicker.

All billionaires and their profit making machines are bad, no exceptions imo.

Amazon doesn’t either. Most of the arguments defending Steam can easily apply to every other “bad” company.

The only thing that differentiates steam is their marketing budget targeting small forums and Reddit.

You could defend Amazon with that logic. the fact that the barrier of entry is high is exactly what let’s Steam, Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo abuse of their soft monopoly.

Nothing justifies owning a billion dollars worth of of boats.

If the bubble pops though, it means the market is going to get flooded.

Quick google search tells me that is about a buck fifty.

Maybe if they paid me that for every minute I use their browser, I would give in.

If it does the job better, who the fuck cares. No one actually cares about how you feel about the tech. Cry me a river.

He was bred for war, but maybe he just likes to play retro games.

Advertising and marketing, and a lot of it. There’s always a few puff pieces per week.

Steam makes so much fucking money and Gaben is enjoying the soft monopoly he has just as much as Microsoft and Nintendo. Gabens mega yatchs cost an estimated 100 to 150 million just in yearly maintenance. He has 8 of them (worth 1 billion in total).

The difference is that everything you’ve mentioned already has hundreds of organizations, a lot governmental, trying to solve those problems.

Game companies screwing over consumers was mostly passing way under the radar. It’s also a gaming community. I don’t know anyone IRL that knows about it personally.

So in 2042, if you had the premium battle pass, you could set up one persistent server. It was hosted by them but didn’t disappear without players. I don’t know how it will work for bf6.

I think the most important feature is that we have persistent lobbies that don’t disband after a game like matchmaking. That they “stay online” while nobody uses it is really not the important part imo.

Still, DICE insists the Portal browser will satisfy. It does have some qualities that simulate a classic server experience, like how you can earn full XP in Portal matches as long as the house rules closely resemble the vanilla ones.

From the article.

Your article doesn’t seem to mention it but I did find one that did. They aren’t “splitting” it. They said they would give some money to the employees not eligible for the bonus. It might be like a 50 dollar gift card for all we know.

The 25 million is still going towards the employees as well, the official one in the contract (this part isn’t up to the founders, they don’t have control on the 25 mil).

I’m not sure what difference that makes towards what I’m saying? We dont know if the game is half baked or not. The courts can decide, but at least, we get a game with more content.

we should be able to do what we want with it, including running those max player/max ticket servers that run 24/7 on one map.

You can do this because the game let’s you host a server (your rules or official ones) and includes a server browser so random people can find it and join your game.

We should be able to do it without DICE/EA’s permission

You can’t do this because although there is a server browser, you can’t run private servers disconnected from eas infrastructure.

I am correcting OP because most of what he said in his post and what people are repeating in the comments implies that there is only matchmaking and implies that the first part isn’t possible.

What isn’t real about the browser we are getting?

Source saying the founders were gonna take the 225 million they were getting out of the 250 and spreading it with their crew?

Krafton said they were gonna pay the 25 million of the bonus meant for the crew regardless from what I understand, I think you are getting your facts mixed up (and being condescending about it).

It bothers me because 90% of the people in the conversation think there will be only matchmaking and nothing else because of how OP framed it.

You want to talk about how you can’t have your own private server completely disconnected for EA, fine. But that doesn’t mean the game has no browser, jfc.

They will have community servers with its own browser. The servers will have full xp as long as the rules are close to the official ones.

Matchmaking wont be the only option.

There is a server browser. There are no servers hosted on private machines. I would like fully private servers too but there is still a server browser regardless.

You are conflating two different things.

That’s more then a server browser. You are just being deceptive. You cherry picked the one quote in the article that makes it look like there is nothing in your post and your comments aren’t honest.

What you are talking about is a whole other debate entirely and simply not how the industry runs anymore when it comes to multiplayer shooters.

I want that stuff too but that’s not what server browser means. The finals and cod don’t have server browsers. Bf6 will have a server browser.

They are implementing just that. Official servers don’t show up on it but everything hosted by the community does.

That’s exactly what they did. You have official matchmaking, then you have community servers people host. If you use official rules, you can still earn xp in the community servers.

They have a server browser, official matchmaking servers just don’t show up but they only last one game anyways.

They are persistent, they stay open as long as someone is in it. No one is kicked after the game.

Bypass dice isn’t a feature but a fantasy, never happening. I don’t really get what it would bring to the table either.

They have a browser where you can run your own games. If you use official rules, you get full xp. I don’t get what people are complaining about.

You can earn full XP in Portal matches as long as the house rules closely resemble the vanilla ones