They just want to avoid EU regulators. And also that EEE thing is just bs fear mongering “they want to take mastodon away from you!!!1!!!”. Email still exists and is alive, xmpp still exists and is alive, http still exists and is alive, all open standards and protocols that have been embraced by big tech companies. Big companies using and connecting to other servers can’t make them disappear. People who use the fediverse today won’t stop using it tomorrow even if the theoretical mass exodus to the large platform happens like described in that one blog post, because the fedi power users of today are there because they don’t like meta or twitter. There will always be users on activitypub whether meta uses it or not, and nobody is forcing you to use their platform either.
email is unusable without bowing to either google or microsoft
xmpp is far more niche than ever before thanks to the big players
http is highly grandfathered in ++ big tech is still working on the extinguish part, ever wonder why most websites are 30mb+ javascript programs? this is one of the reasons
I have not used Microsoft or Google as a primary email provider in years, only Tuta or Proton. Never had a single issue communicating to either google or Microsoft.
People don’t use xmpp because it sucks, the UX is close to terrible and setting up a server is a hassle. The documentation is very lacking and the client options are very scarce. It is plain old and people have moved on to Matrix anyways. But still, I have used XMPP recently a lot thanks to JMP.chat. xmpp is very much not dead and there are very much improvements made regularly. What I’m trying to say is nobody uses xmpp anymore because it’s old and outdated, not because it was killed, because it was not.
Most websites are not bloated because they want to extinguish http wtf. They are huge because of stupid JS libraries and frameworks that web devs use for every little feature. I can guarantee you if Google or Facebook could make their website as pretty as they are while being 1kb, they fucking would, the bandwidth costs savings are worth it for them at their scale
Its not about destroying a service but its momentum which was successful with xmpp back in the day.
Also, its not „fear mongering“ it is being cautious and denying the entity that invented corpo social media entry to a space one feels comfortable at, one instance at a time.
I‘m part of the fedipact so I‘m biased. But maybe learn to respect others opinions. You can do what you like, we can too.
During the FediForum conference on Tuesday, Meta’s Peter Cottle showed off a brief demo of how users will eventually be able to connect their accounts and posts to the fediverse.
As you can see in the video below, which FediForum shared with The Verge, Cottle can navigate to his Threads account settings and toggle on an option called “fediverse sharing.” Meta will then show a pop-up explaining what exactly the fediverse is, along with some disclaimers Meta will flag to users so they know what they’re getting into.
First, Meta notes that users will need to have a public profile to toggle on the feature, something Instagram head Adam Mosseri has already mentioned.
In other words, your post may still be visible on, say, a linked Mastodon server, even if you decide to delete it with Threads.
“I think this is a downside of the protocol that we use today, but I think it’s important to let people know that if you post something and another server grabs a copy, we can’t necessarily enforce it,” Cottle says.
The FediForum is an online event that gives developers the opportunity to show off what they’re working on in the fediverse.
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“I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”
I know of a guy who had good intentions. He just wanted to make Germany great again. I can’t remember his name right now, but IIRC, it didn’t end up being good for a whole lot of people.
I’d really love to hear him elaborate about why people are skeptical.
People are skeptical because they have proven time and time again that they in fact do not have good intentions. That they will not dedicate the necessary resources to properly moderate their platform. That they do not care when their platform is used to spread disinformation and manipulate the public, especially during an election.
“We have really good intentions, that’s why we’re working for a company that’s been involved in at least two dozen scandals and breaches of user privacy. I’m sure they won’t do it again.”
here’s a good write up about why federating with threads is a bad idea, below is just a tidbit, I read it ages ago so just picked some dotpoints.
Less emotionally, I think it’s unwise to assume that an organization that has…
demonstrably and continuously made antisocial and sometimes deadly choices on behalf of billions of human beings and
allowed its products to be weaponized by covert state-level operations behind multiple genocides and hundreds (thousands? tens of thousands?) of smaller persecutions, all while
ducking meaningful oversight,
lying about what they do and know, and
treating their core extraction machines as fait-accompli inevitabilities that mustn’t be governed except in patently ineffective ways…
…will be a good citizen after adopting a new, interoperable technical structure
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They just want to avoid EU regulators. And also that EEE thing is just bs fear mongering “they want to take mastodon away from you!!!1!!!”. Email still exists and is alive, xmpp still exists and is alive, http still exists and is alive, all open standards and protocols that have been embraced by big tech companies. Big companies using and connecting to other servers can’t make them disappear. People who use the fediverse today won’t stop using it tomorrow even if the theoretical mass exodus to the large platform happens like described in that one blog post, because the fedi power users of today are there because they don’t like meta or twitter. There will always be users on activitypub whether meta uses it or not, and nobody is forcing you to use their platform either.
email is unusable without bowing to either google or microsoft
xmpp is far more niche than ever before thanks to the big players
http is highly grandfathered in ++ big tech is still working on the extinguish part, ever wonder why most websites are 30mb+ javascript programs? this is one of the reasons
I have not used Microsoft or Google as a primary email provider in years, only Tuta or Proton. Never had a single issue communicating to either google or Microsoft.
People don’t use xmpp because it sucks, the UX is close to terrible and setting up a server is a hassle. The documentation is very lacking and the client options are very scarce. It is plain old and people have moved on to Matrix anyways. But still, I have used XMPP recently a lot thanks to JMP.chat. xmpp is very much not dead and there are very much improvements made regularly. What I’m trying to say is nobody uses xmpp anymore because it’s old and outdated, not because it was killed, because it was not.
Most websites are not bloated because they want to extinguish http wtf. They are huge because of stupid JS libraries and frameworks that web devs use for every little feature. I can guarantee you if Google or Facebook could make their website as pretty as they are while being 1kb, they fucking would, the bandwidth costs savings are worth it for them at their scale
Niche doesn’t mean you can’t still pick it up. Ignore the sibling about bad UX as it’s more than servicable & try XMPP today 💪
I do use XMPP, but most programs that are available for it that also support OMEMO really suck, other than Conversations for mobile devices.
Anything wrong with Dino & Gajim? Movim’s web UI is pretty slick as well.
Very short sighted imo but you do you.
Its not about destroying a service but its momentum which was successful with xmpp back in the day.
Also, its not „fear mongering“ it is being cautious and denying the entity that invented corpo social media entry to a space one feels comfortable at, one instance at a time.
I‘m part of the fedipact so I‘m biased. But maybe learn to respect others opinions. You can do what you like, we can too.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
During the FediForum conference on Tuesday, Meta’s Peter Cottle showed off a brief demo of how users will eventually be able to connect their accounts and posts to the fediverse.
As you can see in the video below, which FediForum shared with The Verge, Cottle can navigate to his Threads account settings and toggle on an option called “fediverse sharing.” Meta will then show a pop-up explaining what exactly the fediverse is, along with some disclaimers Meta will flag to users so they know what they’re getting into.
First, Meta notes that users will need to have a public profile to toggle on the feature, something Instagram head Adam Mosseri has already mentioned.
In other words, your post may still be visible on, say, a linked Mastodon server, even if you decide to delete it with Threads.
“I think this is a downside of the protocol that we use today, but I think it’s important to let people know that if you post something and another server grabs a copy, we can’t necessarily enforce it,” Cottle says.
The FediForum is an online event that gives developers the opportunity to show off what they’re working on in the fediverse.
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Doesn’t matter
I know of a guy who had good intentions. He just wanted to make Germany great again. I can’t remember his name right now, but IIRC, it didn’t end up being good for a whole lot of people.
I’d really love to hear him elaborate about why people are skeptical.
People are skeptical because they have proven time and time again that they in fact do not have good intentions. That they will not dedicate the necessary resources to properly moderate their platform. That they do not care when their platform is used to spread disinformation and manipulate the public, especially during an election.
“We have really good intentions, that’s why we’re working for a company that’s been involved in at least two dozen scandals and breaches of user privacy. I’m sure they won’t do it again.”
here’s a good write up about why federating with threads is a bad idea, below is just a tidbit, I read it ages ago so just picked some dotpoints.
https://erinkissane.com/untangling-threads
oh my God who the hell cares
I care if it’s going to mess up my fediverse experience.
I’m on the side of blocking them FWIW, more so just who the hell cares about FB
just pre-emptively block threads.net or whatever other domain they use
Yup, that’s the plan. I’d rather it be defederated at the instance level though. If my instance doesn’t do it, I’ll probably run my own.
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Aren’t you on sh.itjust.works?
If so we defederated
https://sh.itjust.works/post/11308397
Cool, I totally forgot about that. Thanks!
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
oh my God who the hell cares
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I’m open-source; check me out at GitHub.
We are anti-corporate takeover in here yet you host your code on a proprietary, Microsoft-owned product without providing a mirror?