More than 70 recipients of The Game Awards’ Future Class are calling for a statement to be read at next week’s The Game Awards, on their behalf, in solidarity with Palestinians in Gaza, amid the ongoing Israel-Hamas war.
No, only games that suck should be banned. Portray whatever you want, just don’t get involved in current politics ideally. I consider every game to be an alternate reality, even if it mentions recent events.
It’s just not the medium for it. I read plenty of news, and I really don’t need a rehash of all that in everything I’m interested in.
If I want news, I’ll watch/read news. If I want games, I’ll play games and follow gaming news. It’s possible to stay informed without current events being constantly shoved in your face.
I get wanting to raise awareness, but there really isn’t a lot of overlap between current events and video games. Some games portray current events, or at least something similar to current events, but the focus in a gaming event should be the game, not the current events.
Imagine people in Palestine hearing you say that we should wait for the relevant time and place to talk about them. Is that relevant time before or after grandma gets vaporized by the IDF?
The relevant time and place is in front of people with power to actually make changes. Protest in front of government buildings (or even in them), meet with representatives, run for office, etc.
Reading an open letter at a gaming event isn’t going to do anything, your time is better spent elsewhere.
Your pleas aren’t going to melt the hearts of representatives or make them see reason. They don’t actually care about people. They only care about getting votes and bribes, so the only way to change their minds is to influence one of those.
interesting that u choose to empathize with gazian grandma getting “vaporized” but israeli grandma being kidnapped and murdered or worse, is fine and unmentionable.
The IDF kills orders of magnitudes more Palestinians than Hamas kills Israelis. It’s not hypocritical to be more upset about ten innocent dead people on one side than I am about one innocent dead person on the other. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and the IDF even more so.
The whole point of using this venue to spread awareness is to keep it in your field of view. The human rights abuses and genocide are ongoing, they don’t stop when you turn off the news and start playing a video game. We should be acutely aware of that, and demand that our politicians stop doing business with terrorists.
You shouldn’t be pissed at the people keeping you aware of it, you should be pissed that what they’re talking about is happening in the first place.
No, the whole point is virtue signaling. It’s an open letter, so it’s not a request for humanitarian aid funding or anything like that, and it’s highly unlikely to effect any kind of change.
It’s all part of this culture war nonsense. Just let a video game event be about video games. We don’t need to insert politics and global events everywhere.
And I am mad about the Palestine situation. I hate Hamas for attacking Innocents in Israel and kicking of this whole mess. I hate Israel for killing so many civilians in their attempts to root out Hamas. I hate that Palestinians don’t have a stable country to call home. But an letter at a gaming event isn’t going to change any of that.
This isn’t a protest, it’s an open letter, and it’s at a games event. Most people will ignore it, and those that don’t will likely forget it happened five minutes later. It’s not going to reach anyone in a position of power to change anything, so it’s merely virtue signaling since media orgs will report on it after the fact.
If you want to protest, do it in public. Organize at state/province and national capitols, organize at universities, wear Palestinian clothes in public, fly flags, etc. Asking a games event organizer to read an open letter will do absolutely nothing, but maybe some virtue signaling for whatever political party uses the same talking points. If you want real change, be noisy in public, run for office, etc, open letters do nothing.
Hell yeah, free Palestine! Meanwhile the US Congress passed a resolution conflating anti-zionism to antisemitism. Associating peoples of Judaism to a state hellbent on genocide seems the antisemitic action.
Did they? They voted on a resolution that affirms Israel’s right to exist. Can you show the part of the resolution that conflates anti-zionism with antisemitism?
I’m not arguing for the resolution or anything, I just don’t see what you see.
Reaffirming Israel’s right to exist is the literal Zionism.
This resolution puts the House of Representatives on record as affirming the State of Israel’s right to exist. It recognizes that denying Israel’s right to exist is a form of anti-Semitism. It rejects calls for Israel’s destruction and the elimination of the only Jewish state and condemns the October 7 Hamas-led terrorist attack on the State of Israel and its people. >
denying Israel’s right to exist is a form of anti-Semitism
Wait, so then I say I’m in favor of a secular, dual-ethnic combined state where Israelis and Palestinians live together in peace under a common democratic government, I’m an anti-Smite?
Nope! The state of Israel exists in opposition to that notion. A combined state will likely never happen if it is a continuance of the current state. As what you proposed existed before Britain’s control of Palestine and before the forced creation of the state of Israel in 1948, broadly put. Jews, Muslims, and Christians of all shades lived there simultaneously without conflict. Then US and European powers decided to meddle and create the ethnostate. Hard to walk back from being an ethnostate.
I’d rather focus on outcomes that have a chance to exist.
And as I said: I didn’t ask which outcome is the most likely, I asked whether I’d be an anti-Semite based on that definition. I don’t think I am but that definition makes me sound like I was one.
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I miss back when games weren’t so political all the time. Give me back my BioShock, Fallout, Metal Gear, quit producing political garbage!!!
So games portraying war in the middle east should be banned from the awards?
No, only games that suck should be banned. Portray whatever you want, just don’t get involved in current politics ideally. I consider every game to be an alternate reality, even if it mentions recent events.
Imagine the statements being an alternate reality to your head canon.
Don’t wanna think about innocent men women and children been murdered. M’uh gaaaammmez!
It’s just not the medium for it. I read plenty of news, and I really don’t need a rehash of all that in everything I’m interested in.
If I want news, I’ll watch/read news. If I want games, I’ll play games and follow gaming news. It’s possible to stay informed without current events being constantly shoved in your face.
I get wanting to raise awareness, but there really isn’t a lot of overlap between current events and video games. Some games portray current events, or at least something similar to current events, but the focus in a gaming event should be the game, not the current events.
Everything is political. You dont like it - fine. Doesn’t change the facts thou
It doesn’t have to be, we can discuss things at the relevant time and place.
Imagine people in Palestine hearing you say that we should wait for the relevant time and place to talk about them. Is that relevant time before or after grandma gets vaporized by the IDF?
The relevant time and place is in front of people with power to actually make changes. Protest in front of government buildings (or even in them), meet with representatives, run for office, etc.
Reading an open letter at a gaming event isn’t going to do anything, your time is better spent elsewhere.
Your pleas aren’t going to melt the hearts of representatives or make them see reason. They don’t actually care about people. They only care about getting votes and bribes, so the only way to change their minds is to influence one of those.
interesting that u choose to empathize with gazian grandma getting “vaporized” but israeli grandma being kidnapped and murdered or worse, is fine and unmentionable.
some might call that hypocrite
The IDF kills orders of magnitudes more Palestinians than Hamas kills Israelis. It’s not hypocritical to be more upset about ten innocent dead people on one side than I am about one innocent dead person on the other. Hamas is a terrorist organization, and the IDF even more so.
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The whole point of using this venue to spread awareness is to keep it in your field of view. The human rights abuses and genocide are ongoing, they don’t stop when you turn off the news and start playing a video game. We should be acutely aware of that, and demand that our politicians stop doing business with terrorists.
You shouldn’t be pissed at the people keeping you aware of it, you should be pissed that what they’re talking about is happening in the first place.
No, the whole point is virtue signaling. It’s an open letter, so it’s not a request for humanitarian aid funding or anything like that, and it’s highly unlikely to effect any kind of change.
It’s all part of this culture war nonsense. Just let a video game event be about video games. We don’t need to insert politics and global events everywhere.
And I am mad about the Palestine situation. I hate Hamas for attacking Innocents in Israel and kicking of this whole mess. I hate Israel for killing so many civilians in their attempts to root out Hamas. I hate that Palestinians don’t have a stable country to call home. But an letter at a gaming event isn’t going to change any of that.
Protest is OK just don’t bother anyone too much. Got it. All the major changes in history required a similarly meek and quiet approach.
That’s not what I’m saying at all.
This isn’t a protest, it’s an open letter, and it’s at a games event. Most people will ignore it, and those that don’t will likely forget it happened five minutes later. It’s not going to reach anyone in a position of power to change anything, so it’s merely virtue signaling since media orgs will report on it after the fact.
If you want to protest, do it in public. Organize at state/province and national capitols, organize at universities, wear Palestinian clothes in public, fly flags, etc. Asking a games event organizer to read an open letter will do absolutely nothing, but maybe some virtue signaling for whatever political party uses the same talking points. If you want real change, be noisy in public, run for office, etc, open letters do nothing.
We all just read an article about it, so this is obviously the most impactful and public place these people could have possibly gone to protest…
Hell yeah, free Palestine! Meanwhile the US Congress passed a resolution conflating anti-zionism to antisemitism. Associating peoples of Judaism to a state hellbent on genocide seems the antisemitic action.
Did they? They voted on a resolution that affirms Israel’s right to exist. Can you show the part of the resolution that conflates anti-zionism with antisemitism?
I’m not arguing for the resolution or anything, I just don’t see what you see.
Reaffirming Israel’s right to exist is the literal Zionism.
https://www.congress.gov/118/crec/2023/11/28/169/195/CREC-2023-11-28-pt1-PgH5923.pdf
Wait, so then I say I’m in favor of a secular, dual-ethnic combined state where Israelis and Palestinians live together in peace under a common democratic government, I’m an anti-Smite?
Nope! The state of Israel exists in opposition to that notion. A combined state will likely never happen if it is a continuance of the current state. As what you proposed existed before Britain’s control of Palestine and before the forced creation of the state of Israel in 1948, broadly put. Jews, Muslims, and Christians of all shades lived there simultaneously without conflict. Then US and European powers decided to meddle and create the ethnostate. Hard to walk back from being an ethnostate.
But my question wasn’t about likelihood. I can still favor an outcome that’s unlikely.
I would too, but I’d rather focus on outcomes that have a chance to exist. Cheers.
And as I said: I didn’t ask which outcome is the most likely, I asked whether I’d be an anti-Semite based on that definition. I don’t think I am but that definition makes me sound like I was one.
Correct. Anything other than full-throated support of the current Israeli government is anti-semitic now.
Good
Can we not bring that into this?
Can we not fund genocides? No? Then we gotta bring that into this
Everything’s political.
We can
Fuck that.