Verified for that should no longer be tied to a low resolution (text scaling) or input schema (controller input, touch input.)
Then what’s the point of verifying it for the hardware? The controller should definitely be taken into account, if it comes with a default controller and if the games recommended way to play is a controller. This is meant to be a console like experience, and it probably does not come with a keyboard by default.
No, because not every game should be a controller game.
Controller support is already a filter available within steam. It should not be the primary and only way to use a gabecube. It is not a handheld device or solely a HTPC class device, it’s a full blown computer.
Where did I say the controller should be the only way to use it? I said “the default”. Like a game console or handheld, as a developer and player you can expect the standard controller to be supported, for games that are perfectly playable. On console you can even plug in a keyboard, but you can’t expect anyone to have it. But you can expect a controller.
What part of the steam machine page shows a controller as the default mode? They have three videos of people using it. A single one has controllers… the other two are as desktops.
The thing is designed to be compatible with steam’s controller, but it’s not just for controllers. It is sold without the controller, but you can buy a bundle with a controller. The wording on the page carefully notes that you can “use your steam controller without it’s puck” because it has a receiver inside of it, that’s it.
The deck is a default controller device because it clearly is just a big controller with a screen. The gabecube is literally a ultra small form factor PC, intended to be plugged into a display, and bring your own peripherals. There’s no default peripheral.
I think something like this https://store.steampowered.com/app/1818940/Typing_Land/# should be perfectly verified on the cube. By making controllers the “default” that title could never be verified, it would always have a nasty yellow mark despite running perfectly fine.
What part of the steam machine page shows a controller as the default mode?
What do you mean? The entire operating system of it starts up in Game Mode, which is primarily designed and used by game controller. The same as on the Steam Deck. Steam Machine is primarily a console like experience, that’s the point of it. You can switch to desktop mode or you can install games that require keyboard or mouse, just like on a docked Steam Deck in example (or on a Xbox console…). But you can’t expect this as the default.
Now at this point it is a bit speculation how this will pan out. We don’t know how Valve will handle this. I can definitely see your argumentation and it makes sense. But at the moment this is still an open question. BTW I don’t trust IGN much…
If a new PC comes with a keyboard and my old PC also came with a keyboard, one of those keyboards is excessive and will probably end up in the trash as society is overwhelmed by everyone’s excess keyboards. It’s why phones have to all use the same charger now, and they don’t come with a cable.
No, corporations wanted it so that they all had proprietary chargers that either you had to pay inflated prices for, or that third parties had to pay fees for to sell you cheaper versions. The only reason they all use USB-C now is because of government regulation.
I don’t need to pay them additional money for a charger because I already have a variety of USB wall adapters and cables, and I could buy them from almost literally anyone if I didn’t. There are whole bins of them in lost-and-founds and secondhand shops.
But this is supposed to be a console like all in one device. If the Steam verified program gives a game verified badge for a keyboard centric game, and it does not come with keyboard and mouse, then its simply wrong rated. And I think the verified rating should take this into account and do not verify such games. That is my point I was making.
It doesn’t come with a controller either. You don’t have to use their controller, so it’s good that it’s an optional purchase.
They used to sell PCs with a keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, and various software all without the option to buy just the PC. It was awful because it made the machine more expensive for the consumer, and it also generated a ton of waste.
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Then what’s the point of verifying it for the hardware? The controller should definitely be taken into account, if it comes with a default controller and if the games recommended way to play is a controller. This is meant to be a console like experience, and it probably does not come with a keyboard by default.
No, because not every game should be a controller game.
Controller support is already a filter available within steam. It should not be the primary and only way to use a gabecube. It is not a handheld device or solely a HTPC class device, it’s a full blown computer.
Where did I say the controller should be the only way to use it? I said “the default”. Like a game console or handheld, as a developer and player you can expect the standard controller to be supported, for games that are perfectly playable. On console you can even plug in a keyboard, but you can’t expect anyone to have it. But you can expect a controller.
What part of the steam machine page shows a controller as the default mode? They have three videos of people using it. A single one has controllers… the other two are as desktops.
The thing is designed to be compatible with steam’s controller, but it’s not just for controllers. It is sold without the controller, but you can buy a bundle with a controller. The wording on the page carefully notes that you can “use your steam controller without it’s puck” because it has a receiver inside of it, that’s it.
The deck is a default controller device because it clearly is just a big controller with a screen. The gabecube is literally a ultra small form factor PC, intended to be plugged into a display, and bring your own peripherals. There’s no default peripheral.
I think something like this https://store.steampowered.com/app/1818940/Typing_Land/# should be perfectly verified on the cube. By making controllers the “default” that title could never be verified, it would always have a nasty yellow mark despite running perfectly fine.
What do you mean? The entire operating system of it starts up in Game Mode, which is primarily designed and used by game controller. The same as on the Steam Deck. Steam Machine is primarily a console like experience, that’s the point of it. You can switch to desktop mode or you can install games that require keyboard or mouse, just like on a docked Steam Deck in example (or on a Xbox console…). But you can’t expect this as the default.
Now at this point it is a bit speculation how this will pan out. We don’t know how Valve will handle this. I can definitely see your argumentation and it makes sense. But at the moment this is still an open question. BTW I don’t trust IGN much…
PCs that come with e-waste keyboards piss me off
What do you mean e-waste keyboards?
If a new PC comes with a keyboard and my old PC also came with a keyboard, one of those keyboards is excessive and will probably end up in the trash as society is overwhelmed by everyone’s excess keyboards. It’s why phones have to all use the same charger now, and they don’t come with a cable.
…because corps want you to pay additional money for that? I hope you don’t believe corps care about ecology.
No, corporations wanted it so that they all had proprietary chargers that either you had to pay inflated prices for, or that third parties had to pay fees for to sell you cheaper versions. The only reason they all use USB-C now is because of government regulation.
I don’t need to pay them additional money for a charger because I already have a variety of USB wall adapters and cables, and I could buy them from almost literally anyone if I didn’t. There are whole bins of them in lost-and-founds and secondhand shops.
Didn’t corps start using mini and micro usb for phones before the regulations?
But this is supposed to be a console like all in one device. If the Steam verified program gives a game verified badge for a keyboard centric game, and it does not come with keyboard and mouse, then its simply wrong rated. And I think the verified rating should take this into account and do not verify such games. That is my point I was making.
It doesn’t come with a controller either. You don’t have to use their controller, so it’s good that it’s an optional purchase.
They used to sell PCs with a keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, and various software all without the option to buy just the PC. It was awful because it made the machine more expensive for the consumer, and it also generated a ton of waste.
Is this official information or a prediction?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3a3EKwhGQ&t=321s&pp=2AHBApACAQ%3D%3D