Everyone always makes it sound like everyone else was already in a union and tech workers were snearing at them, but tbh I’m not sure I know a single person that is part of a union in any field. They just aren’t that common in recent history outside of a few specific areas, and everyone is finally seeing the need together. (I would have thought the insane crunch and week long mandatory on call a lot of people deal with in tech would have been enough but apparently it takes the threat of layoffs to get people serious)
I’ve known plenty of tech workers who were all about the perceived hierarchy they felt they had by working in tech. I guess the experience is subjective though
Except being a contractor is a great deal in tech. I was very happy to trade benefits for being paid hourly. Suddenly those out of hour problems just aren’t that important when they know you’re billing.
I mean, for years and years, even after the dotcom bubble, developers have been able to get crazy high salaries, job security, and tons of other perks. Now that that’s gone, at least they’re doing something. So many other professions just rolled over and let the businesses fuck them (looking at you, every industry from Virginia down, especially mining)
Edit: the comment I’m replying to says “tech workers”, not just game devs. Game devs have unfortunately always been the poorly treated little black sheep of the tech world.
Even if you filter out game devs, you seem to think “tech worker” means “silicon valley startup or FAANG”, but the field is much larger than that and the compensation and treatment has never been uniform across the sector.
The majority of the field didn’t get crazy high salaries though (though they mostly did get to actually keep up with the cost of living while others didn’t). Since this is about game devs especially, the benefit they mostly got was getting to do the thing they were passionate about. I don’t remember a time when game developers didn’t have it shitty other than that.
Edit: also big tech companies were doing things like backroom anti poaching deals and other anti worker bullshit, so even the most privileged were getting fucked to some degree
Yeah, there’s no avoiding getting fucked by a big company without existing collective action, it’s inevitable. However, for tech workers in general (not just game devs), the benefits used to outweigh the screwing. Now it’s almost entirely screwing
That just reveals that those workers are selfish, pretentious assholes who are all about getting theirs. Even your response shows that with the backhanded comment
I mean, when you’re being treated more fairly by your employer, you may not consider that forming a union is still necessary in the inevitable event that they rug pull those benefits at some point.
And I’ve got nothing against miners (other than standard environmental concerns), but when they keep voting for the people that strip away every small gain their ancestors literally fought and died for, I stop having sympathy.
Also, what on earth are primarily West Coast based tech workers gonna do about miners in the Virginias? There’s an entire continent between them.
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Tech workers finding out a little too late
Everyone always makes it sound like everyone else was already in a union and tech workers were snearing at them, but tbh I’m not sure I know a single person that is part of a union in any field. They just aren’t that common in recent history outside of a few specific areas, and everyone is finally seeing the need together. (I would have thought the insane crunch and week long mandatory on call a lot of people deal with in tech would have been enough but apparently it takes the threat of layoffs to get people serious)
I’ve known plenty of tech workers who were all about the perceived hierarchy they felt they had by working in tech. I guess the experience is subjective though
Yes, they are called assholes.
They kind of screwed people out of unionizing by making everyone a contractor.
Yeah and a shockingly effective propaganda campaign, and obvious union busting that only gets a slap on the wrist.
Except being a contractor is a great deal in tech. I was very happy to trade benefits for being paid hourly. Suddenly those out of hour problems just aren’t that important when they know you’re billing.
I mean, for years and years, even after the dotcom bubble, developers have been able to get crazy high salaries, job security, and tons of other perks. Now that that’s gone, at least they’re doing something. So many other professions just rolled over and let the businesses fuck them (looking at you, every industry from Virginia down, especially mining)
Edit: the comment I’m replying to says “tech workers”, not just game devs. Game devs have unfortunately always been the poorly treated little black sheep of the tech world.
I dropped out of college to do carpentry when I learned how little game devs make. I don’t really know what you’re talking about.
Well, outside of game dev, tech workers were making shit loads of money.
Game devs been fucked up for years now, but the original comment just said “tech workers”
Even if you filter out game devs, you seem to think “tech worker” means “silicon valley startup or FAANG”, but the field is much larger than that and the compensation and treatment has never been uniform across the sector.
Ah my bad. We are talking about different things then.
I know tons of network engineers and sysadmins making bank mostly from home. If you got in when it was good you were set.
The majority of the field didn’t get crazy high salaries though (though they mostly did get to actually keep up with the cost of living while others didn’t). Since this is about game devs especially, the benefit they mostly got was getting to do the thing they were passionate about. I don’t remember a time when game developers didn’t have it shitty other than that.
Edit: also big tech companies were doing things like backroom anti poaching deals and other anti worker bullshit, so even the most privileged were getting fucked to some degree
Yeah, there’s no avoiding getting fucked by a big company without existing collective action, it’s inevitable. However, for tech workers in general (not just game devs), the benefits used to outweigh the screwing. Now it’s almost entirely screwing
That just reveals that those workers are selfish, pretentious assholes who are all about getting theirs. Even your response shows that with the backhanded comment
I mean, when you’re being treated more fairly by your employer, you may not consider that forming a union is still necessary in the inevitable event that they rug pull those benefits at some point.
And I’ve got nothing against miners (other than standard environmental concerns), but when they keep voting for the people that strip away every small gain their ancestors literally fought and died for, I stop having sympathy.
Also, what on earth are primarily West Coast based tech workers gonna do about miners in the Virginias? There’s an entire continent between them.