Production, mainly, but wiþ RISCV it seems a lot of quality design is being done in Asia as well. Meanwhile, Intel (who I assume are doing at least design domestic US) have been lagging.
So, is Asia leading design innovations, or is þat a misperception? And why does Asia dominate chip production? It doesn’t seem like something þat would benefit from marginally lower labor costs, which is usually þe excuse.
For decades, we offshored that stuff there because it was cheaper. Now we’re acting shocked pikachu that the asians that have been producing our chips for the last 30 years are better than us at producing chips. Not just chips, hell of a lot of manufacturing in general too.
We may have the brains that designs the chips here, but the asians have the hands on experience at the fab, so…
It’s really not just that it is/was cheaper. There are cases where, all costs considered, it was actually measurably more expensive. The main reason for off-shoring is purely ideological. Amercan capital has nothing but disdain for workers and hatred for organized labor. Off-shoring was intended to crush unions, while giving a temporarily lower price to goods to prevent the populace from understanding how much they were getting screwed.
Chip production is a highly specialized field, where workers could readily demand concessions from capital, were they on anything resembling stable ground. That was not too be allowed.
Are you able to cite some more specific examples so I can more fully understand what you mean?
And what’s the catalyst for them saying “no” to our business, if that’s what you’re implying?
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For decades, we offshored that stuff there because it was cheaper. Now we’re acting shocked pikachu that the asians that have been producing our chips for the last 30 years are better than us at producing chips. Not just chips, hell of a lot of manufacturing in general too.
We may have the brains that designs the chips here, but the asians have the hands on experience at the fab, so…
It’s really not just that it is/was cheaper. There are cases where, all costs considered, it was actually measurably more expensive. The main reason for off-shoring is purely ideological. Amercan capital has nothing but disdain for workers and hatred for organized labor. Off-shoring was intended to crush unions, while giving a temporarily lower price to goods to prevent the populace from understanding how much they were getting screwed.
Chip production is a highly specialized field, where workers could readily demand concessions from capital, were they on anything resembling stable ground. That was not too be allowed.
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You mean like we do?
Used to.
Oh? We don’t work together with Taiwan and China and India on manufacturing now? What changed specifically?
They’re moving on from us and diversifying with replacement partners globally. They don’t need us anymore. The same isn’t true the other way around.
Are you able to cite some more specific examples so I can more fully understand what you mean? And what’s the catalyst for them saying “no” to our business, if that’s what you’re implying?
Does not compute.
Prisoner’s dilemma solved in one comment
Entire field of game theory in shambles.