A year ago, I poked around Steam to see how many game developers were disclosing usage of Generative AI . It was around 1,000, which seemed like a lot to me at the time. If memory serves, that was about 1.1% of the entire Steam library, which has since seen 20,000+ more titles appear. I've been fol
with 1000 supporters you need them to shell a monthly €10 to be viable.
That’s unrealistic. I’m not going to support every individual creator to that extent.
Artists need to make a stable hundred and twenty thousand euros a year to be viable?
But my apologies, my framing of this idea was underdeveloped. You as a listener are not supporting every artist you listen to via like patreon or something.
Essentially, from the perspective of the band itself, you just need to reach a critical mass of fans that will buy your albums, come to your shows, want to pick up a t shirt, etc. And that number is much lower than you would think. Not for becoming a millionaire with a mansion mind you, but to make your project self sustaining
That « just » carries a lot… and 10k a month brut is far from making anyone a millionaire. They have expenses, taxes… that’s a confortable-ish living wage.
You can’t “discuss” with someone who baldly asserts that musicians need to be making nearly double an average engineer’s salary in order to barely achieve comfort. You’re absolutely trolling if you expect someone to engage with that
Double an engineer’s salary?! Man… My brut is riiiiight below that… but musicians would not be employees so they would need to add other costs to their incomes so that they reach a similar net revenue…
Locally we consider that 47% of what you invoice reaches your pocket - not accounting for expenses like equipment which is crazy expensive in the music industry… is 4.7k an outrageous salary ?! For an engineer ?! Or even an artist?
Second, using statbel instead of the cancerous google AI gives another figure of 104k yearly for engineering positions (in IT but other industries aren’t so far behind).
And that still has fuckall to do with what would be a fair wage… and still doesn’t account for costs accounting on top of the salary which they would incur on top of the salary…
Are you so insisting because you deem artists needs a shit wage? Are they less deserving than engineers?
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with 1000 supporters you need them to shell a monthly €10 to be viable. That’s unrealistic. I’m not going to support every individual creator to that extent.
Artists need to make a stable hundred and twenty thousand euros a year to be viable?
But my apologies, my framing of this idea was underdeveloped. You as a listener are not supporting every artist you listen to via like patreon or something.
Essentially, from the perspective of the band itself, you just need to reach a critical mass of fans that will buy your albums, come to your shows, want to pick up a t shirt, etc. And that number is much lower than you would think. Not for becoming a millionaire with a mansion mind you, but to make your project self sustaining
That « just » carries a lot… and 10k a month brut is far from making anyone a millionaire. They have expenses, taxes… that’s a confortable-ish living wage.
Your assertions carry nothing
That’s a new way to discuss… nice…
You can’t “discuss” with someone who baldly asserts that musicians need to be making nearly double an average engineer’s salary in order to barely achieve comfort. You’re absolutely trolling if you expect someone to engage with that
Double an engineer’s salary?! Man… My brut is riiiiight below that… but musicians would not be employees so they would need to add other costs to their incomes so that they reach a similar net revenue… Locally we consider that 47% of what you invoice reaches your pocket - not accounting for expenses like equipment which is crazy expensive in the music industry… is 4.7k an outrageous salary ?! For an engineer ?! Or even an artist?
Median engineer’s income in your country is 58k. Lots of information available for you for free on google
First, thanks for the doxxing.
Second, using statbel instead of the cancerous google AI gives another figure of 104k yearly for engineering positions (in IT but other industries aren’t so far behind).
And that still has fuckall to do with what would be a fair wage… and still doesn’t account for costs accounting on top of the salary which they would incur on top of the salary…
Are you so insisting because you deem artists needs a shit wage? Are they less deserving than engineers?