Because Nintendo and Sony are doing it too, but at least Microsoft is putting their games day one on PC… They’re going to make their games exclusive one way or another, but this is preferable to the way other companies are doing it.
yes, this is the part where I gave up trying to say
“Hey it’s bad these guys make their games exclusive, pc players and xbox players and whatever should all be able to play these games”
because now fuck it, why bother. pc players and xbox players do not care as soon as they got theirs. they won’t show the same support as soon as they get their games.
Why should I show support for players on other systems, if players on other systems will not show the same support back?
It won’t fulfill your apparent need to have people pat you on the tummy and say you are a good boy but:
Okay, we know where your head is. but i’m going to engage anyway just to say that i’m looking for solidarity, and not finding it. I’m finding selfishness. Previously I was in support of not having things exclusive, I didn’t want it, It didn’t benefit me. but I’m not seeing that support back from pc gamers like you.
Do you think it’s okay for me to say “it’s okay for final fantasy games to be exclusive to one system, you should have bought a playstation”. are you happy with that statement?
Sony players don’t care as long as they get theirs
I used to, you generally saw the sentiment of “this isn’t good for us, we dont’ want this”, now everyone is suddenly okay with one company owning all this stuff because it comes out on pc.
It’s hard to care about people complaining about exclusivity anymore, because they only care when it affects them personally.
Thats arguing in bad faith, given that even after the buyout, Zenimax still produced games on the other devices. Arkane Lyon (deathloop), ID interactive (Doom), Tango Gameworks(Ghost Wire Tokyo), Mojang(Minecraft) and auch still produced games for other consoles, despite being owned by Microsoft.
Microsoft puts its developers games on other devices more often than the reverse. Its only within the past few years that Sonys been putting about half of its titles on PC.
This whole thing has confused the ever loving balls out of me. Xbox and Microsoft having been getting MURDERED over the last few years and ridiculed by pretty much everyone for one reason and one reason only, they have no games. Why get an Xbox? PlayStation and Nintendo have all the good exclusives. Xbox has nothing.
Now, Microsoft goes out and buys up some IP’s and studios that have games they can make exclusive if they want (even tho they’ve said over and over they won’t for the ones that currently aren’t console exclusives but we’ll see on that one). So, for the first time in pretty much forever they’ll have the opportunity for console exclusives other than Halo and now everyone is complaining that they’ll make the games console exclusives. It’s like the biggest damned if you do, damned if you don’t for them lol.
“Fuck Xbox they don’t have any good exclusives.”
Microsoft goes out and gets good exclusives
“Fuck Xbox they’re making the good games exclusive.”
Especially if they released a really successful game and then they released a really bad one that got them sued by their shareholders and they had to issue a public apology but internet sentiment is somehow still positive. Especially if that game had a $163 MILLION marketing budget.
It’s modern advertising. Just start a friendly discussion on social media about your product or service with some purchased or fresh accounts, or just upvoted anything positive and downvote anything negative! Imagine the effect you could have on discussions if just a single person focused on this 8 hours a day for weeks, compared to organic discourse.
People worry about Russian or Chinese botfarms but don’t stop to think that corporations are the ones with the most to gain from altering public perception worldwide.
That’s not quite how this works tho. Microsoft doesn’t make games. Sony doesn’t make games. The only exception is Nintendo but even they outsource a ton of devopment to studios like 1-up studios, monolith soft, retro studios etc. These companies just make a console that plays games and then they try to buy rights to good games or studios so they can make their games exclusive to that console to bolster sales. Sure, sony and microsoft could pour tons and tons and tons of money into creating their own studios i guess that make their own branded games but they have decided to focus on hardware sales instead. This is especially true for microsoft where the xbox is just a small part of the business where the PC market is their focus.
From a business standpoint, it makes 10000% more sense to just try and acquire other businesses that do the work under you and you just publish their games. Which is why nintendo, sony, and microsoft all try to do it so much. I mean Sony alone has bought 14 development studios since last year.
Both MS and Sony absolutely produce their own games with wholly internally established studios. MS game studios existed before Xbox even.
I’m not sure what the rest of your point is even about, of course it makes sense for MS and Sony to short circuit work and risk, that doesn’t make anything better for consumers. The better option for consumers is for MS and Sony to build their own franchises and have good exclusives that way rather than taking existing third party franchises and limiting access.
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Because Nintendo and Sony are doing it too, but at least Microsoft is putting their games day one on PC… They’re going to make their games exclusive one way or another, but this is preferable to the way other companies are doing it.
yes, this is the part where I gave up trying to say
because now fuck it, why bother. pc players and xbox players do not care as soon as they got theirs. they won’t show the same support as soon as they get their games.
Why should I show support for players on other systems, if players on other systems will not show the same support back?
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Okay, we know where your head is. but i’m going to engage anyway just to say that i’m looking for solidarity, and not finding it. I’m finding selfishness. Previously I was in support of not having things exclusive, I didn’t want it, It didn’t benefit me. but I’m not seeing that support back from pc gamers like you.
Do you think it’s okay for me to say “it’s okay for final fantasy games to be exclusive to one system, you should have bought a playstation”. are you happy with that statement?
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Sony players don’t care as long as they get theirs
Nintendo players don’t care as long as they get theirs
Who cares? Fans will be fans.
I used to, you generally saw the sentiment of “this isn’t good for us, we dont’ want this”, now everyone is suddenly okay with one company owning all this stuff because it comes out on pc.
It’s hard to care about people complaining about exclusivity anymore, because they only care when it affects them personally.
Thats arguing in bad faith, given that even after the buyout, Zenimax still produced games on the other devices. Arkane Lyon (deathloop), ID interactive (Doom), Tango Gameworks(Ghost Wire Tokyo), Mojang(Minecraft) and auch still produced games for other consoles, despite being owned by Microsoft.
Microsoft puts its developers games on other devices more often than the reverse. Its only within the past few years that Sonys been putting about half of its titles on PC.
Most of those were preexisting contracts they needed to fulfill. You’re the one who’s arguing in bad faith.
Emphasis in most, they still put effort into doing so, more so than the reverse, who doesnt even touch the console side.
This whole thing has confused the ever loving balls out of me. Xbox and Microsoft having been getting MURDERED over the last few years and ridiculed by pretty much everyone for one reason and one reason only, they have no games. Why get an Xbox? PlayStation and Nintendo have all the good exclusives. Xbox has nothing.
Now, Microsoft goes out and buys up some IP’s and studios that have games they can make exclusive if they want (even tho they’ve said over and over they won’t for the ones that currently aren’t console exclusives but we’ll see on that one). So, for the first time in pretty much forever they’ll have the opportunity for console exclusives other than Halo and now everyone is complaining that they’ll make the games console exclusives. It’s like the biggest damned if you do, damned if you don’t for them lol.
“Fuck Xbox they don’t have any good exclusives.”
Microsoft goes out and gets good exclusives
“Fuck Xbox they’re making the good games exclusive.”
Astroturfing is a very real thing that major companies participate in to sway public sentiment.
Especially if they released a really successful game and then they released a really bad one that got them sued by their shareholders and they had to issue a public apology but internet sentiment is somehow still positive. Especially if that game had a $163 MILLION marketing budget.
It’s modern advertising. Just start a friendly discussion on social media about your product or service with some purchased or fresh accounts, or just upvoted anything positive and downvote anything negative! Imagine the effect you could have on discussions if just a single person focused on this 8 hours a day for weeks, compared to organic discourse.
People worry about Russian or Chinese botfarms but don’t stop to think that corporations are the ones with the most to gain from altering public perception worldwide.
There’s a third way here though, MS could make good exclusive games themselves and leave Activision available for everyone.
That’s not quite how this works tho. Microsoft doesn’t make games. Sony doesn’t make games. The only exception is Nintendo but even they outsource a ton of devopment to studios like 1-up studios, monolith soft, retro studios etc. These companies just make a console that plays games and then they try to buy rights to good games or studios so they can make their games exclusive to that console to bolster sales. Sure, sony and microsoft could pour tons and tons and tons of money into creating their own studios i guess that make their own branded games but they have decided to focus on hardware sales instead. This is especially true for microsoft where the xbox is just a small part of the business where the PC market is their focus.
From a business standpoint, it makes 10000% more sense to just try and acquire other businesses that do the work under you and you just publish their games. Which is why nintendo, sony, and microsoft all try to do it so much. I mean Sony alone has bought 14 development studios since last year.
Both MS and Sony absolutely produce their own games with wholly internally established studios. MS game studios existed before Xbox even.
I’m not sure what the rest of your point is even about, of course it makes sense for MS and Sony to short circuit work and risk, that doesn’t make anything better for consumers. The better option for consumers is for MS and Sony to build their own franchises and have good exclusives that way rather than taking existing third party franchises and limiting access.