According to this analysis of VAR decisions for the 22/23 season, Liverpool were the joint second beneficiaries of VAR decisions, while City were bottom.
So why do #LFC fans believe there is a conspiracy against them? Where does that belief stem from?
@hallenbeck@football Does this only show that more initially incorrect decisions were made against Brentford, Fulham and Liverpool than against Leeds, Brighton and Man City?
In any case, VAR overturns are such infrequent events that you can’t really draw statistically significant conclusions from them.
Yes, I completely agree you can’t draw statistically significant conclusions from them.
What it does suggest, however, is that a narrative of VAR being horribly broken with officials being in the pocket of UAE etc and punishing Liverpool doesn’t seem to fit? Is VAR correcting any bias?
Anyway, I’ll take a good look at that bias data - it’s definitely piqued my interest.
Also, thought I’d add, what a thoroughly decent bunch we have here on fedi. So unlike Twitter.
I read the shorter version of the Tomkins analysis. Very interesting and thanks for the pointer. I worry that people will skim it and draw conclusions that aren’t there (that all referees are biased against Liverpool in all matches). But it’s terrific work, there’s definitely something that needs to be looked at here, and I would like to see it expanded out to other teams. Need more work like this and it really needs to be looked at through a non-partisan lens.
@hallenbeck Strongly agree with every part of that. I don’t know if Spurs fans have someone doing similarly detailed work? (Actually, I don’t know if ANYONE has!)
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@hallenbeck @football Does this only show that more initially incorrect decisions were made against Brentford, Fulham and Liverpool than against Leeds, Brighton and Man City?
In any case, VAR overturns are such infrequent events that you can’t really draw statistically significant conclusions from them.
@mike
Yes, I completely agree you can’t draw statistically significant conclusions from them.
What it does suggest, however, is that a narrative of VAR being horribly broken with officials being in the pocket of UAE etc and punishing Liverpool doesn’t seem to fit? Is VAR correcting any bias?
Anyway, I’ll take a good look at that bias data - it’s definitely piqued my interest.
Also, thought I’d add, what a thoroughly decent bunch we have here on fedi. So unlike Twitter.
@football
@hallenbeck @football Yes, it’s very satisfying to be discussing thr facts of the matter in such a civilised manner!
/tips hat/
I read the shorter version of the Tomkins analysis. Very interesting and thanks for the pointer. I worry that people will skim it and draw conclusions that aren’t there (that all referees are biased against Liverpool in all matches). But it’s terrific work, there’s definitely something that needs to be looked at here, and I would like to see it expanded out to other teams. Need more work like this and it really needs to be looked at through a non-partisan lens.
@hallenbeck Strongly agree with every part of that. I don’t know if Spurs fans have someone doing similarly detailed work? (Actually, I don’t know if ANYONE has!)
No, not that I know of. It’s truly impressive and valuable stuff. Sorely needed. Journalists need to pay more attention to it too.