Yggstyle
Just another voice yelling in the void.
I’ve probably protested for your rights. I’m definitely on at least one list.
I believe firmly that everyone should have a fair shake and as much freedom as they can be afforded - so long as it does not encroach on the freedoms of others.
Occasionally a wordy cunt who will type a book when a sentence or two will suffice.
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This is long winded but I firmly believe this explains a lot about the industries frenzied push into all these odd directions… All of it. Here seems as good as any place to dump this mess I’ve been stewing on:
I really think it’s important that raytracing, while novel, wasn’t created to improve visuals. It wasnt created to make a programmers life easier. It was created because it was computationally difficult and could be optimized for. It was a fantastic play by nvidia. They created a feature that functionally did very little but they could get an entire cycle ahead of the competition in that optimization. Differentiation of products, in a duopoly, is a big deal. Amd dove right into it - knowing full well that this would leave them brutally behind… But this was a fortuitous event: despite the disadvantage.
Why? Simple. GPUs have been struggling against Moore’s law. Framerates were exceeding ranges even monitors can refresh at. And worse yet there was another hard limit: our eyes. How do you sell cards that have no perceivable value?
Reality is we may well be reaching a point where additional resolutions and framerates dont matter. Badly optimized games only buy so much time.
These companies aren’t stupid. Crypto? They loved it. Computationally expensive. Always need faster… Until we didnt. What now? Demand was plummeting for overpriced high end cards.
Go back and look at when AI and nvidia got in bed. The earnings call was due to be a bloodbath after all these cards were rotting on shelves, unpurchased, and depreciating daily. It was coming ro light that they had been selling cards to miners under the table and that was going to get ugly fast. I have never, in my life, heard a company talk so much about a product on a earnings call – that wasn’t theirs. Not a word breathed about unsold cards barely any numbers discussed. ChatGPT referenced so many times that there was confusion as to whether nvidia actually owned it. The Q/A at the end was comedy gold. People were so confused.
AI was the perfect save. AI is a power virus. Want to fix the black box? Train a black box to mangage that black box. Its a computational sinkhole. They’ve extracted value from gamers to dimishing returns. Meanwhile they can sell the ultimate snake oil to investors: virtual slave labor. Unpaid workers. In floods private equity. Gamers stopped mattering immediately. All of these advances are software. From a GPU design company. Why? It shuts up the peasants while they continue rebranding the “snake oil” to get whoever is buying. Weve nearly achieved the panacea. Just a bit longer!
Behold: we have dressed our industry in the finest of the emperors newest clothes. You can either start selling them or be the only one who doesn’t.
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Exactly. The more compititon the better. Imagine what we’d get if nvidia was split into 3 new companies and had to compete. 5 total companies suddenly would be very motivated to make a substantial product to bring to market at a competitive price. We as consumers need this diversity to keep the market honest and moving forward.
Yep, I’m more suggesting that this was the logical path they would have continued down.
I personally don’t like the generation because it’s functionally noise and can effect the feel / responsiveness of the game. Upscaling seems pretty reasonable - but like many I just can’t abide by the notion that we are counting a generated frame as a frame for benchmark sake.
I’m not against framegen existing. It’s a preference. Same as that feature on TVs. To each their own.
Back to the new dlss though: yeah it was inevitable they go here… and I’m personally thrilled this was the line everyone more or less took issue with.
I mostly agree. Like you already noted, both serve different purposes. One is a game and one is gamifying learning. Even without knowing proper finger placement you will, over time, build up the ability to play songs and have a passable foundation to use the instrument. I’d wager any self taught guitarist will have any number of bad habits or irregular approaches to playing… Regardless of method used.
I think (unsurprisingly) that experience [with it] may be subjective. Gamifying repitition using an instrument is a great way to blow past a lot of the hangups people have initially approaching it. Personally I think it’s a cool concept and found it sufficent to keep me interested and invested. I definitely think it has its flaws but for some it may be good enough.
I’ve heard a number of creators try talking about how this is a good thing actually and it is just misunderstood… And I’ve got to say: after it’s come out that nvidia has threatened creators in the past… I really think it starts getting obvious who’s still kissing the ring. This is some emperors new clothes shit.
If nvidia can’t just make a better card anymore cool. No worries. Want to get into bed with the industrial military complex? Great. Message recieved. Want to overwrite an artists design with filters? Stay the fuck in your lane. You design chips that draw what they are told. If you can’t do that right anymore then get out of our industry and make room for someone who can.
I haven’t needed to insult you yet. Why would I? You, by your actions and responses have been more than sufficient. I just pointed it out.
The hope was to drive home that parroting (ey! callbacks) an opinion that isn’t yours isn’t wanted or useful.
And I know, I know - you don’t read much:
I didnt read your posts.
So let’s use your words to have fun:
I think its funny that you keep talking to yourself. You probably feel like you need the last reply too.
I think it’s funny knowing how many times you’ve set yourself up in this thread. See that quote? That’s me using your words as bait.
I could just copy and paste your own quote repeatedly and you’d either be compelled to respond - making yourself that exact thing… Or being the one that was forced out of the exchange: beaten with your own words.
So… Polly want a cracker? 🦜
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Maybe I do. Who’s to say - unless you want to tell me what I do again?
Its been rare to see somone so utterly dismantled that their only response is to repeat the observation I made at the end of that thrashing. It is almost comical how you just set yourself up for a callback to the parroting and echo chamber comments.
In closing:
Even if I did have a blog, I think it’s apparent, by now, you’d just wait for somone else to read it and tell you what to think.
xoxo
Oh cool, now I’m an irrational person who reacts quickly. Thats a good start.
The full body of your response disregarded the core meaning of what I was saying. You didn’t understand something but just powered on through with your opinion. Which if we can appreciate the irony:
You, like many, are looking to burn a company at the stake over what I would clearly describe as a very polished product… Over an asset that they mistakenly left in. Can you comprehend how batshit insane that is?
My response was measured and pretty on the nose I’d say.
Do you even know the point you are trying to make? You make a bunch of preconceptions and then claim you won’t do that, so thats fun too.
Considering the consistency in what I’ve said in this thread … I’d say I do. As far as me making preconceptions: again I’d recommend you take a look at what I wrote and read it again. (We have a trend developing) I gave my reasons: and I provided the logic behind it. But if you’d like to drag this out: go ahead and show me what my “preconceptions” were. I’ll wait.
You can keep writing nonsense arguments all you want, you aren’t an artist and should probably do what you said and shutup instead of making a bunch of assumptions.
I posted facts, I provided commentary on them, and even provided an example as a parallel. You, by your own words: didn’t understand the example (and made no attempt to), you ignored the nuance of the commentary, and preceded to put your ignorance on full display here.
And apparently you want to complete this nonsense by implying you know me or what I do. I dont recall knowing anyone as dull as you that suffered a headwound … But I’ll jog your memory:
Staring with the key topic:
I’ve signed more NDAs and non-competes for multiple, well known, gaming companies … Than years you’ve existed on this planet. So let’s just say I have “some” industry knowledge.
You mentioned I’m not an artist: another bold claim but… Its broad so let’s cover the bases.
I started my career in design. I’ve worked with 5 color printing presses. I’ve been paid for my work, although digital art, which has been seen by “roughly a country of people” around '04. Not enough for you? I maintain a circle of artist friends, who - over time have filled my home and consequently one of my closets with their works. I am honored and grateful that I’d be trusted with someone’s original blood sweat and tears condensed into a single medium. I’d be forgiven, I think, for speaking on their behalf. If not? They know my handle - they have my number - and know where I live…
They can @ me and tell me to shut up. You can’t.
I could go on but I think I’ve made my point sufficiently in this long post. Go crawl back to the echo chamber from whence you came. If you are capable of critical thought - it has yet to be demonstrated.
What does NASA have to do with the creation of art? Art and science are not the same thing. What might be good for progress technologically, like flying to the moon, might not be good for a different field.
Reread the comment instead of irrationally reacting before you understand the context. Calculators used to be people. Literally. It was a job. I brought up NASA as an example because, very famously, their “calculators” were part of history… So it should have been well known enough for people to see the parallel. But then I guess ever since moving to digital boards for math we can just downplay all subsequent achievments because the scientists didnt work hard enough.
Art is all about the time and energy spent. If Clair Obscure came out of an AI machine that took 3 minutes to create it, most people wouldn’t play it and it wouldn’t have won any awards.
If I’m not mistaken those artists’ art was well recieved. I find it interesting that so many people seem intent on defining a world they aren’t part of. Wacom tablets are tools, are digital artists not real artists because they don’t use paper?
Know any artists? I know quite a few. I wouldn’t dare inject my preconceptions on their process. Who the fuck am I to tell somone what is or isn’t part of their process. Traditional media, music, …even architects use tools to help iterate on their ideas - and their lives are easier for it.
But please, explain to the class why your ideals supercede their own.
Cutting corners or “saving time and energy” is the opposite of exploring creatively, and these tools are not capable of unique thought or inspiration.
Speaking for everyone? That’s bold. Is that your process or are you just a bobblehead parroting what someone else told you to say?
AI as a monolithic “thing” is bullshit. Fugazi. We relabled a ton of tools like OCR and other pattern recognition engines: “AI” to capitalize on the sheer stupidity of the average investor. Artificial intelligence indeed.
I digress. Tools save time and energy. If a team can prototype a space and become more immersed in their project faster and with less effort - so much the better.
I’m for tools as effort multipliers. My initial statement implied as much. I don’t see us running back to rooms full of women doing math at NASA and discarding the digital equivalent.
Look - everyone is absolutely sick of “AI” being jammed into everything. I get the raw response to it… But the concern isn’t about renamed tools; it’s not about a glorified chatbot being an “ok” facsimile. No company would spend billions on that. If by some chance they could make an automiton that was good enough… That could work without stopping, have no rights, for free. Literally they are gambling everything on a shot at replacing every single worker they currently employ. They don’t want workers. They want slaves. That is short sighted, ignorant, bullshit… which deserves all the hate it gets and more. But that - ain’t this.
Look I’ve seen the hours those studios and devs put into design… If they want to prototype using a tool? Nobody’s losing a job over that. Its a couple hours saved from doom scrolling though your existing assets looking for something temporary.
Yeah, it slipped out though the cracks. But then how many games are loaded with “Unintended Easter eggs” because people are human. I don’t get it. The event is no more novel than finding an untextured brick off the beaten trail or a picture of a dev left in following an in joke amongst the team.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. The OP could use a colon and perhaps a small edit for clarity. That’s a far cry from nonsensical ramblings. But I cannot speak for your ability to digest a post made quickly - so if that’s how it was received: I imagine the explanation should have been sufficient. Your response suggests otherwise. My point was made, and clarified, which to me is sufficient. If you can’t work though it - that’s unfortunate but acceptable.
I can break it down:
Why is this happening to us (the consumer)?
Asked by the consumer who has broken records buying the switch 2 with the batshit insane clause: “We can brick your console for any reason and are denying your rights to how and where you can sell your purchased games.”
That’d be the gimpsuit.
Shall I detail the number of times nintendont has overstepped it’s legal rights and trampled on those of developers, consumers, and frequently their own employees?
Nintendo’s lawyers know no boundaries. They frequently get apologists making excuses for them while they force their will on whomever they please. What they need is a solid kick in the teeth and to be told to fuck right off.
Why are they jacking prices up? Why are they inserting assinine clauses in user agreements?
Because people just love the abuse apparently. That’s certainly what the market appears to be saying: “Yes daddy N. punish me harder.”
I believe that summarizes the intent of my original statement sufficiently.
I didn’t think it required that much thought… but apparently I was mistaken.
The market conditions are nobody kicking Nintendo’s lawyers in the teeth and telling them to piss off… regardless of jurisdiction.
Follow that up with the consumer base clamoring for a gimpsuit shaped like the switch 2 and you get this result.
“Yes corporate daddy, punish me harder”
Edit: it would appear some people are unfamiliar with Nintendo’s rather questionable actions. Or their lawyers are on Lemmy. One of those.
Nintendo isn’t just the nestle of companies to users… they are the same or worse to their own.
I’ve seen people lose teams over errant comments about a novel idea for the IP they would love to see happen, or maybe even be developing as a passion project, purged for the notion that they were anything more than drones.
It’s a disgusting work culture taking advantage of bright eyed developers that grew up with fond memories of the brand. I genuinely love some of the IP and worlds made by the developers - but I will never, ever, spend a fucking penny on that company until it is changed.
Look I don’t fault developers for kissing the ring. I know and have spoken with multiple devs at different Nintendo affiliated companies and they don’t enjoy it either but it lets them make the games they love for the people that they want to entertain.
I can’t say I support hating a full group of people because that’s not great either. “… except for the Amish but it’ll never get back to them” - John Pinette
Meanwhile StarCraft, one of the most pervasive rts for its time and in the PC gaming sphere in general … let you have multiple people play multiplayer on a single disk. Offline. It’s kinda like it advertised itself and people went out to buy it… which influenced more people… who bought it… gasp.
Mindblowing.
Man I was ready to trash this post as an ad, but this stopped me. IMO you should put your opinion in the post to make for a more compelling interaction… otherwise it’s just an RSS feed with more steps.
On topic: I like the concept of handheld that can do double duty via oLink etc. With a lot of these handhelds I think we’re on the verge of seeing something finally replace laptops. There’s some hurdles to jump but I genuinely feel like this formfactor is part of the next step.
Just remember: every statement he is making isn’t to gamers or the consumer market. He’s addressing shareholders. Every new keynote and public interview just demonstrates it more clearly.
Nvidia wants you to be cool and buy whatever castoff cut down parts they couldn’t figure out how to sell to the military or datacenters. If anyone hadn’t noticed by now: generational gains aren’t anything but software generated bullshit now. Its just there to bilk users into staying “loyal” as they exit this sector.
Companies aren’t your friends.