“Why arent people impressed with the inaccurate slop machine that sets the earth ablaze during the hottest years on record, steals everything, and outputs nothing but worse amalgamations of what its ingested? We shoved it into everything…”
I might be impressed if it wasn’t so fucking overhyped. It’s good at some stuff, it’s not very good at most of the other stuff. Stop shoving it down my throat.
I get where he’s coming from as a tech person… I’m old enough to remember chatting to ELIZA and Alicebot. The current state of AI is impressive to me, as well as “worrying” and “destroying the planet” and “being rammed down our throats” and all the other bad stuff.
It’s wildly tone deaf of him to say it in the middle of a backlash, though. 😬
Really? Seriously? It’s just a fake, every bit as much as ELIZA was – just with a vastly bigger set of responses it generates on the fly from a vast database of stolen material.
As a software engineer who’s recently been using the latest advanced models in my workflow, I think that’s where it is most useful. It’s generally great for more tedious and mundane tasks like writing documentation, or building small functions with explicit inputs and outputs. And while that’s not crazy impressive, that previously was taking up a much larger part of my time, leaving me more time to focus on bigger picture stuff.
That being said, it’s definitely wildly overvalued, and being shoved into everything, often where it makes no sense and is just a glorified chatbot.
Ya, AI as a tool has it’s place. I’m currently working on documentation to meet some security compliance frameworks (I work in cybersecurity). Said documentation is going to be made to look pretty and get a check in the box from the auditors. It will then be stored in a SharePoint library to be promptly lost and ignored until the next time we need to hand it over to the auditors. It’s paperwork for the sake of paperwork. And I’m going to have AI spit out most of it and just pepper in the important details and iron out the AI hallucinations. Even with the work of fixing the AI’s work, it will still take less time than making up all the bullshit on my own. This is what AI is good for. If I actually care about the results, and certainly if I care about accuracy, AI won’t be leaned on all that much.
The technology actually it pretty amazing, when you stop and think about it. But, it also often a solution in search of a problem.
Yea, but he’s (intentionally?) misrepresenting things… people are not “unimpressed” by AI, what they are is not interested in MS “agentic OS”, these are not the same things.
It’s irresponsible to hand in control of your machine to an AI integrated that deeply into the OS, particularly when it’s designed to be tethered to the network and it’s privately owned and managed by human entrepreneurs that do have the company’s interests as first and main priority.
It’s meant in the sense of “underwhelming” (as shown by the follow-up comment the article references). It’s not incompatible to be surprised at how capable AI is (ie. being “impressed”) and at the same time be also unwilling to pay the costs / repercussions and want to ban / regulate it.
In this context, being deeply unimpressed with something is equivalent to calling that something “irrelevant” / “incapable”. If AI was no more impressive than it was before the LLM boom then there wouldn’t have been such a reaction against it to begin with. If anything, people being now opposed to modern AI is proof of how impactful AI has become.
As a one-time committee member on Skeptics in the Pub, there are a lot of things in life that *demonstrably* Do Not Work, never did work, and can be proved not to ever be possible, which all the same, billions of people are very impressed by.
I guess you could say I’m impressed if we were discussing it like a beta preview of something that might be cool eventually. But what we’re doing is treating it like it’s amazing for all sorts of things it sucks at because it’s unreliable and shoving it in everything.
So yeah, I’m unimpressed with the reality vs the sales pitch.
The ELIZA effect and the experiences of that experiment should have been guidelines as to why those utilities should not be mass-market. LLM’s, if used for conversation or personal advice, lead to delusion and irrational actions.
no need. M$ and pretty much every other big tech behemoth has been forcing unwanted bullshit on the customers for decades, and guess what–people still buy their shit
Try to play tic tac toe against it. I’m unimpressed by any intelligence that consistently loses in tic tac toe against my four year old daughter and I didn’t invested many million dollars to teach her that 🤣
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Yeah, it’s a real mystery you narcissistic fuckhead.
“Why arent people impressed with the inaccurate slop machine that sets the earth ablaze during the hottest years on record, steals everything, and outputs nothing but worse amalgamations of what its ingested? We shoved it into everything…”
I might be impressed if it wasn’t so fucking overhyped. It’s good at some stuff, it’s not very good at most of the other stuff. Stop shoving it down my throat.
I get where he’s coming from as a tech person… I’m old enough to remember chatting to ELIZA and Alicebot. The current state of AI is impressive to me, as well as “worrying” and “destroying the planet” and “being rammed down our throats” and all the other bad stuff.
It’s wildly tone deaf of him to say it in the middle of a backlash, though. 😬
@meejle @onlooker
> The current state of AI is impressive to me
Really? Seriously? It’s just a fake, every bit as much as ELIZA was – just with a vastly bigger set of responses it generates on the fly from a vast database of stolen material.
Yes but it’s surprisingly convincing given how it actually works. It’s more impressive than useful, and it’s a huge waste of energy.
Agreed, the natural language input and output are quite good. Everything else not so good.
As a software engineer who’s recently been using the latest advanced models in my workflow, I think that’s where it is most useful. It’s generally great for more tedious and mundane tasks like writing documentation, or building small functions with explicit inputs and outputs. And while that’s not crazy impressive, that previously was taking up a much larger part of my time, leaving me more time to focus on bigger picture stuff.
That being said, it’s definitely wildly overvalued, and being shoved into everything, often where it makes no sense and is just a glorified chatbot.
Ya, AI as a tool has it’s place. I’m currently working on documentation to meet some security compliance frameworks (I work in cybersecurity). Said documentation is going to be made to look pretty and get a check in the box from the auditors. It will then be stored in a SharePoint library to be promptly lost and ignored until the next time we need to hand it over to the auditors. It’s paperwork for the sake of paperwork. And I’m going to have AI spit out most of it and just pepper in the important details and iron out the AI hallucinations. Even with the work of fixing the AI’s work, it will still take less time than making up all the bullshit on my own. This is what AI is good for. If I actually care about the results, and certainly if I care about accuracy, AI won’t be leaned on all that much.
The technology actually it pretty amazing, when you stop and think about it. But, it also often a solution in search of a problem.
Why though? It’s literally designed to be convincing.
So was Eliza.
Indeed, and it … worked, in fact still does, exactly as expected.
Yea, but he’s (intentionally?) misrepresenting things… people are not “unimpressed” by AI, what they are is not interested in MS “agentic OS”, these are not the same things.
It’s irresponsible to hand in control of your machine to an AI integrated that deeply into the OS, particularly when it’s designed to be tethered to the network and it’s privately owned and managed by human entrepreneurs that do have the company’s interests as first and main priority.
@Ferk @meejle
> … people are not unimpressed by AI
I disagree strongly. Smart people who understand how it works, and the cost, are DEEPLY and profoundly unimpressed by it.
I want to see it banned.
It’s meant in the sense of “underwhelming” (as shown by the follow-up comment the article references). It’s not incompatible to be surprised at how capable AI is (ie. being “impressed”) and at the same time be also unwilling to pay the costs / repercussions and want to ban / regulate it.
In this context, being deeply unimpressed with something is equivalent to calling that something “irrelevant” / “incapable”. If AI was no more impressive than it was before the LLM boom then there wouldn’t have been such a reaction against it to begin with. If anything, people being now opposed to modern AI is proof of how impactful AI has become.
@Ferk Ah, I see.
I suppose so.
As a one-time committee member on Skeptics in the Pub, there are a lot of things in life that *demonstrably* Do Not Work, never did work, and can be proved not to ever be possible, which all the same, billions of people are very impressed by.
Homeopathy is my go-to example – see:
https://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/
This is true of all Supplementary, Complementary and Alternative Medicine. It’s all a S.C.A.M. ;-)
But it goes much further. Gods, for example. All 100% made up.
And yet…
I guess you could say I’m impressed if we were discussing it like a beta preview of something that might be cool eventually. But what we’re doing is treating it like it’s amazing for all sorts of things it sucks at because it’s unreliable and shoving it in everything.
So yeah, I’m unimpressed with the reality vs the sales pitch.
The ELIZA effect and the experiences of that experiment should have been guidelines as to why those utilities should not be mass-market. LLM’s, if used for conversation or personal advice, lead to delusion and irrational actions.
Amazing that he doesn’t even feel the need to pretend that he is in sync with what the customers want
no need. M$ and pretty much every other big tech behemoth has been forcing unwanted bullshit on the customers for decades, and guess what–people still buy their shit
They do it because there are so few alternatives out there, that the difference between them are greater than the average customer would want.
Break them up. If you are too big to fail, you are too big to exist.
Total incompetence.
Try to play tic tac toe against it. I’m unimpressed by any intelligence that consistently loses in tic tac toe against my four year old daughter and I didn’t invested many million dollars to teach her that 🤣
Ask it for a book reference on a subject you are discussing and it will just make shit up and tell you it exists despite it clearly not.
Ask it for ASCII art
He doesn’t get it till he’s replaced with AI
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