In the German state of Bavaria, dozens of people are in 'preventive detention' because they might otherwise engage in climate protests, specifically around the car industry exposition IAA in Munich.
Apparently possible for a month there...
https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/zeitgeschehen/2023-09/letzte-generation-bayern-praeventivhaft-gewahrsam
I find it funny, you talk about freedom, Europeans will defend their governments as free, shit on the US, defend government power in the name of protecting the public, but then, preemptively jailing people, like previous authoritarian states of Europe would do, and they’re all surprised pikachu face. I doubt they’ll ever get it, Europeans are lemmings.
Except the French. The French light shit on fire when their government displeases them.
This is generalising a bit much done you think? This is like saying all US states are the same, but more outrageous as they’re completely separate countries with different cultures, languages, and governments
well, you have a history of authoritarianism and warrantless detention in many, many European countries, the US is all entirely subject to the US constitution which explicitly forbids warrantless searches, detention absent due process and things like that. It has a few blind spots, and the rules are broken, but generally can be corrected and the culprits prosecuted. Detention in Germany for example without a jury trial and evidence of illegal activity is perfectly legal, as it is in the UK and almost every other European country so long as it protects the general welfare or some other such broad meaningless condition.
The Germans have a history of these things, they try to pretend it’s all in the past but here they are right back to their old ways. It’s unacceptable for anyone to be detained in this way, period.
Please educate yourself:
There are rightwing tendencies even in your country, but they’re coloured differently.
If you’d take a closer look at world politics you’d find that there is an alarming trend concerning exactly this.
Best example would be Italy - they’ve just elected a right-wing party and all hells breaking loose as they’ve started restructuring the social security system over there, leaving many, many families moneyless. Without any warning in advance. And that’s just the start.
China is still on with their genocide - the Uigur must die it seems, no matter what. There’s still concentration camps.
I could go on for hours.
But yeah. You’re right. Us Germans are notorious and blind towards our history.
It’s absolutely better to let people be free and do whatever they want, than to apprehend them ahead of time when they’re suspected of planning to carry out a crime.
Just imagine if the people who carried out the 11th September attack had been caught in the planning stage? Then tomorrow would just be a normal day instead of a sad day of remembrance.
So either Germany has like 30 climate protesters, or these particular protesters are thought to be up to something and thus detained ahead of time to prevent them from causing damage either to people or property.
It’s worth noting that
The legality of this is being disputed and,
The decision to detain these people is labelled as controversial by the article
You can bet your arsehole that there’ll be people protesting at the event, and protesting hasn’t magically been made illegal.
If you’ve been caught trying to hijack a plane in the past, you might find yourself being under extra scrutiny next time you try to fly. That’s entirely on you.
I frequently call for the heads of big oil CEOs and enabling politicians, I don’t think I’ll ever be let within a kilometre of either type of people.
I’m begging you to take a look at the dangerous nefarious terroristic acts Letzte Generation usually engages in. They do non-violent road blockades. Sometimes they chain themselves to stuff. They might even spray some paint on a private jet sitting in a lot. These are the criminal masterminds Germany needs to crack out pre-crime for. It’s the mildest bullshit you can imagine.
And what is that going to achieve? Because they glue themselves to the autobahn, or chain themselves to a dozen cars, people will magically stop driving?
Then what? How is people not driving affecting the grand scheme of things?
It’s not. Do something useful, like get to the people responsible. Idiotic stunts like super gluing yourself to a table is making a mockery of the entire climate movement.
The suffragettes fucked with census and blew shit up. It’s time to take a leaf from their playbook.
This is specifically Bavaria. They also recently found out that their vice president has a past as a Nazi and the reaction of their president was essentially “Oh no. Anyway…”. So, yeah, if you considered visiting the Oktoberfest, maybe reconsider.
Eh, I don’t expect random tourists to be locked up by the fascists, nor do I necessarily expect the not-quite-fascists to distance themselves from the fascists, just from losses in the tourism industry.
I’m mostly just saying, there’s tons of places you could be traveling to and “drinking beer with fascists” isn’t quite as attractive anymore.
No, but we have this thing called the 6th amendment that lays out the minimum requirements for prosecution. (known as due process). Pre-crime clearly breaks those minimums.
I don’t believe it is a very popular story so that might be the reason.
It was popular enough for me to have known about it before I saw the emoji.
Why is there even an Emoji for the book? Does it come up that often on hexchat?
Because the Hexbear creator of emojis decided it’d be fun to add it, and it was almost immediately used to summarize bleak and terrible future outcomes, especially in reference to this moment mocking the tendency of tech billionaires to miss the point of the fiction they consume and make announcements about how they want to make the bad things in such fiction come true:
Edit: oh and what is stormfront?
Edit 2: the “I have no mouth…” game is also pretty great and was given away for free on GOG a while back so you might already have it, if you keep track of those things. That game is inspired by the book but it is mainly it’s own story.
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Is this like Minority-Report-type shit?
Political prisoners
I find it funny, you talk about freedom, Europeans will defend their governments as free, shit on the US, defend government power in the name of protecting the public, but then, preemptively jailing people, like previous authoritarian states of Europe would do, and they’re all surprised pikachu face. I doubt they’ll ever get it, Europeans are lemmings.
Except the French. The French light shit on fire when their government displeases them.
This is generalising a bit much done you think? This is like saying all US states are the same, but more outrageous as they’re completely separate countries with different cultures, languages, and governments
well, you have a history of authoritarianism and warrantless detention in many, many European countries, the US is all entirely subject to the US constitution which explicitly forbids warrantless searches, detention absent due process and things like that. It has a few blind spots, and the rules are broken, but generally can be corrected and the culprits prosecuted. Detention in Germany for example without a jury trial and evidence of illegal activity is perfectly legal, as it is in the UK and almost every other European country so long as it protects the general welfare or some other such broad meaningless condition.
US does shit like this all the time. Guantanamo bay ring a bell? There are still people there who haven’t been convicted of a crime.
That doesn’t count, those were brown people!
Bullshit. I have been arrested for a warrantless search.
Absolute dog shit take. Sounds like the law has been favouring you. Most aren’t so lucky.
Ohh, I’ve seen this one, it’s a classic!
Put there by the really same government you should trust for nuclear power
The Germans have a history of these things, they try to pretend it’s all in the past but here they are right back to their old ways. It’s unacceptable for anyone to be detained in this way, period.
Yeah, us evil, evil Germans … lol
Please educate yourself: There are rightwing tendencies even in your country, but they’re coloured differently.
If you’d take a closer look at world politics you’d find that there is an alarming trend concerning exactly this.
Best example would be Italy - they’ve just elected a right-wing party and all hells breaking loose as they’ve started restructuring the social security system over there, leaving many, many families moneyless. Without any warning in advance. And that’s just the start.
China is still on with their genocide - the Uigur must die it seems, no matter what. There’s still concentration camps.
I could go on for hours.
But yeah. You’re right. Us Germans are notorious and blind towards our history.
It’s absolutely better to let people be free and do whatever they want, than to apprehend them ahead of time when they’re suspected of planning to carry out a crime.
Just imagine if the people who carried out the 11th September attack had been caught in the planning stage? Then tomorrow would just be a normal day instead of a sad day of remembrance.
That would’ve been outrageous!
Unironically would be an awful world if people could be arrested for suspicion of wanting to potentially someday do a crime
You’re right. It’s the world we live in, and it’s absolute garbage for a wide range of reasons.
Ah yes, protesting destruction of the environment and terrorism killing thousands, definitely equivalent acts
So either Germany has like 30 climate protesters, or these particular protesters are thought to be up to something and thus detained ahead of time to prevent them from causing damage either to people or property.
It’s worth noting that
You can bet your arsehole that there’ll be people protesting at the event, and protesting hasn’t magically been made illegal.
If you’ve been caught trying to hijack a plane in the past, you might find yourself being under extra scrutiny next time you try to fly. That’s entirely on you.
I frequently call for the heads of big oil CEOs and enabling politicians, I don’t think I’ll ever be let within a kilometre of either type of people.
I’m begging you to take a look at the dangerous nefarious terroristic acts Letzte Generation usually engages in. They do non-violent road blockades. Sometimes they chain themselves to stuff. They might even spray some paint on a private jet sitting in a lot. These are the criminal masterminds Germany needs to crack out pre-crime for. It’s the mildest bullshit you can imagine.
And what is that going to achieve? Because they glue themselves to the autobahn, or chain themselves to a dozen cars, people will magically stop driving?
Then what? How is people not driving affecting the grand scheme of things?
It’s not. Do something useful, like get to the people responsible. Idiotic stunts like super gluing yourself to a table is making a mockery of the entire climate movement.
The suffragettes fucked with census and blew shit up. It’s time to take a leaf from their playbook.
“They must have been planning something terrible”
“They weren’t”
“Well they should have!”
🤔
You’re just being contrarian.
This is sort of a reverse godwin.
“the free world”
The planet is being cooked by oil companies benefitting from your tax dollars and you’re thrown in jail for disagreeing with it…
but then they want to lecture you about “freedom” when you mention regulating pollution in any capacity.
Ah cool just like my favorite Phillip K Dick story
Real “Innocence proves nothing” hours
I’d like to know how that’s even remotely compliant with the ECHR???
This is specifically Bavaria. They also recently found out that their vice president has a past as a Nazi and the reaction of their president was essentially “Oh no. Anyway…”. So, yeah, if you considered visiting the Oktoberfest, maybe reconsider.
what is not going to Oktoberfest gonna do?
Hurt the bavarian economy.
Eh, I don’t expect random tourists to be locked up by the fascists, nor do I necessarily expect the not-quite-fascists to distance themselves from the fascists, just from losses in the tourism industry.
I’m mostly just saying, there’s tons of places you could be traveling to and “drinking beer with fascists” isn’t quite as attractive anymore.
being out of reach of nazis or conservative christians can increase safety and well-being
So you’re saying we should all drop social media? Not a bad idea
But what if I want to snort Wiesnkoks off of a dick?
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Is disrupting traffic by glueing yourself to the road covered by the first ammendment in the US?
No, but we have this thing called the 6th amendment that lays out the minimum requirements for prosecution. (known as due process). Pre-crime clearly breaks those minimums.
To be fair last time I checked Germany isn’t all Europe. They did try once tough…we prefer not talk about it too much nowadays tough.
Didn’t they try twice? We we’re back to back World War champs for nothing.
Typo really messes up my reading comprehension for a moment.
Lols it does. I suck at typing.
PRE-CRIME, JUST LIKE IN THE SCI-FI TREATS
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is leaking again; apparently even emojis can get pulled over by the Pedantry Police. 🚔 
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Ah yes being chained by vroom vroom for
wrongthonk, just like in my spooky sci-fi treat 1979 by George Foreman.Did the cops at least wear cowboy hats and greet them by saying
'audi pardner?this some kind of deep fried 10k times folded turbo meming that wouldn’t even be allowed on the autobahn.
What does this have to do with “I have no mouth and i must scream”?
I can’t remember any “pre-crime” in it. Just an AI torturing people for his amusement.
I know.
I was just stretching the application of the emoji to summarize bad futuristic outcomes because there isn’t a Minority Report related emoji yet.
You can’t just use any random emoji you want, that doesn’t make any sense.
the absolute state of lemee
You: [policing emoji use]
Me:
noooo I can't use whatever I want!!It’s just weird to use “emojis” like that. Maybe it makes sense on hexchat but not so much elsewhere.
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says who? lemmitors?
here you go:
I’ve used it for well over a year.
You are the very first person to ever complain about how I used it.
Fair enough. I don’t believe it is a very popular story so that might be the reason.
Why is there even an Emoji for the book? Does it come up that often on hexchat?
It was popular enough for me to have known about it before I saw the emoji.
Because the Hexbear creator of emojis decided it’d be fun to add it, and it was almost immediately used to summarize bleak and terrible future outcomes, especially in reference to this moment mocking the tendency of tech billionaires to miss the point of the fiction they consume and make announcements about how they want to make the bad things in such fiction come true:
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/386/548/92f.jpg
Odd, but alright then. Maybe it makes more sense the the “emoji” renders properly.
Have you read the story? If not, do it. It’s pretty great and only around 40 min long.
Harlan Ellison made an audiobook version I listened to, while also reading it at the same time: https://youtu.be/dgo-As552hY
You can also borrow the book for free here: https://archive.org/details/ihavenomouthimus0000harl
Or just get it for free in many other places.
Edit: oh and what is stormfront? Edit 2: the “I have no mouth…” game is also pretty great and was given away for free on GOG a while back so you might already have it, if you keep track of those things. That game is inspired by the book but it is mainly it’s own story.
Are those so called “climate protestors” the losers blocking public roads?
Yup, they glue themselves to the streets, blocking the traffic.