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I just found out that Embark used genAI to replace recalling it’s voice actors. And I am devastated. It was my GOTY and now I’m boycotting it. To the point that I decided to be vocal about it.
I don’t want any AI (not talking about machine learning for the way the Arcs move, I’m talking about the voice actors being replaced) in the work of art that I think are the video games I play.
To game developers: Stop using AI in your video games!
Je viens de découvrir que Embark a utilisé de l’IA générative pour remplacer ses acteurs. Et franchement je suis tellement déçu. C’était clairement mon GOTY, et maintenant je me retrouve à boycotter tout ça, au point de carrément en faire des posts pour toucher le plus de monde possible.
Je ne veux aucune IA (et attention, je ne parle pas du machine learning utilisé pour les déplacements des Arcs) dans les oeuvres d’art que je consomme.
Aux développeurs: Arrêtez d’utiliser de l’IA dans les jeux vidéos !
Call me crazy but I think people getting cheated out of the fruits of their labor, even if they themselves might’ve signed their it away, should be criticized.
they aren’t being cheated. the labor they signed up and were paid for was recording the voices for the TTS system. you might not like the fact they did that, but that doesn’t change facts. attempting to lie about it just shows your level of intellectual bankruptcy.
I don’t know what kind of work you do but let’s say your work requires you to log into some kind a system that somehow knows to track the work you do. Now imagine you start your work and your co-worker logs themselves in your place. You do the labor, they get the benefit. Are you being cheated?
The VA would do that labor if there was no TTS with their voice as a model. The VA labor goes into that model because it is their voice. They do the labor but someone else benefits from it? Are they not being cheated?
And final thought experiment. If the VA-s owned the TTS system and Embark asks for a new voiceline. Are the VA-s supposed to give that new voiceline away for free just because some TTS system generated it? Wouldn’t Embark cheat them out their pay if they said “You made it for free so we should be able to use it for free.”?
The intellectual bankruptcy comes from you because instead of actually thinking about the situation you hide behind the “But they agreed to it” argument. People also agreed with indenture servitude, doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
You do the labor, they get the benefit. Are you being cheated?
they were paid specifically to make the TTS and voice modulation system. none of the rest of your argument makes any sense whatsoever, because the core fundamental idea behind your entire argument is that they were “cheated”. they were not. they did the labor, they got the compensation. people were bitching because artists “weren’t being paid” for their work with AI, so somebody actually does pay them and you’re still whining. it just shows that you were never concerned with the artist in the first place.
The intellectual bankruptcy comes from you because instead of actually thinking about the situation you hide behind the “But they agreed to it” argument.
I’m not hiding at all. to be perfectly frank, as an anarchist, I don’t believe in copyright to begin with, and have no issue with genAI copying the work of artists. ideas can not be owned, no matter what some capitalist stans such as yourself believe, and it’s ridiculous people say it’s “theft” in the first place.
but that isn’t even what’s happening here. these VAs were paid to create the system, knowing all along that puritains like you would villainize them for their work for no other reason than you think you should get to tell other people how they can live their lives. the sheer narcissism that you’re displaying is beyond belief.
Apparently you do think that indentured servitude, at least to the extent where the person agrees to step into servitude, is completely fine. After all they agreed to the contract.
It’s not indentured servitude, and that’s a weak ass argument trying to spin it like that. Nobody with the brains evolution gave a snail is falling for that shit. And you should be embarrassed that that’s the best argument you can come up with.
It’s such a blatantly, self-evidently wrong argument, that I’m not even going to dignify it with a counter argument because frankly, such grade-school bullshit like that is beneath both of us.
Since you decided to ignore my argument all I can do is attack your stupid argument, which is that the signed contract is all that matters. I’m attacking it by stating you don’t have a problem with indentured servitude as long the servant accepts the contract. That is not the same thing as stating VA work is somehow indentured servitude, please be capable of telling the difference here. If the agreement is all that matters then you have to be okay with indentured servitude in the manner I originally described.
Once again, not indentured servitude. I’m not reading the rest of your comment because I doubt it’s more intelligent than the rest. Words have meanings, and you don’t get to just insist something and it be true. Your comments are MAGA level delusions, and I’m not interested in arguing them because you’re a zealot who has come to this thread with the certainty that you cannot be wrong. There’s no point in arguing with someone who can’t accept that reality doesn’t bend to their self-righteous whims.
The irony of calling someone a zealot who can’t be wrong, and then straight up ignoring all criticism of your argument. You are right, there is no point in arguing with someone like you.
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Call me crazy but I think people getting cheated out of the fruits of their labor, even if they themselves might’ve signed their it away, should be criticized.
they aren’t being cheated. the labor they signed up and were paid for was recording the voices for the TTS system. you might not like the fact they did that, but that doesn’t change facts. attempting to lie about it just shows your level of intellectual bankruptcy.
I don’t know what kind of work you do but let’s say your work requires you to log into some kind a system that somehow knows to track the work you do. Now imagine you start your work and your co-worker logs themselves in your place. You do the labor, they get the benefit. Are you being cheated?
The VA would do that labor if there was no TTS with their voice as a model. The VA labor goes into that model because it is their voice. They do the labor but someone else benefits from it? Are they not being cheated?
And final thought experiment. If the VA-s owned the TTS system and Embark asks for a new voiceline. Are the VA-s supposed to give that new voiceline away for free just because some TTS system generated it? Wouldn’t Embark cheat them out their pay if they said “You made it for free so we should be able to use it for free.”?
The intellectual bankruptcy comes from you because instead of actually thinking about the situation you hide behind the “But they agreed to it” argument. People also agreed with indenture servitude, doesn’t mean it’s acceptable.
they were paid specifically to make the TTS and voice modulation system. none of the rest of your argument makes any sense whatsoever, because the core fundamental idea behind your entire argument is that they were “cheated”. they were not. they did the labor, they got the compensation. people were bitching because artists “weren’t being paid” for their work with AI, so somebody actually does pay them and you’re still whining. it just shows that you were never concerned with the artist in the first place.
I’m not hiding at all. to be perfectly frank, as an anarchist, I don’t believe in copyright to begin with, and have no issue with genAI copying the work of artists. ideas can not be owned, no matter what some capitalist stans such as yourself believe, and it’s ridiculous people say it’s “theft” in the first place.
but that isn’t even what’s happening here. these VAs were paid to create the system, knowing all along that puritains like you would villainize them for their work for no other reason than you think you should get to tell other people how they can live their lives. the sheer narcissism that you’re displaying is beyond belief.
Apparently you do think that indentured servitude, at least to the extent where the person agrees to step into servitude, is completely fine. After all they agreed to the contract.
It’s not indentured servitude, and that’s a weak ass argument trying to spin it like that. Nobody with the brains evolution gave a snail is falling for that shit. And you should be embarrassed that that’s the best argument you can come up with.
It’s such a blatantly, self-evidently wrong argument, that I’m not even going to dignify it with a counter argument because frankly, such grade-school bullshit like that is beneath both of us.
Since you decided to ignore my argument all I can do is attack your stupid argument, which is that the signed contract is all that matters. I’m attacking it by stating you don’t have a problem with indentured servitude as long the servant accepts the contract. That is not the same thing as stating VA work is somehow indentured servitude, please be capable of telling the difference here. If the agreement is all that matters then you have to be okay with indentured servitude in the manner I originally described.
Once again, not indentured servitude. I’m not reading the rest of your comment because I doubt it’s more intelligent than the rest. Words have meanings, and you don’t get to just insist something and it be true. Your comments are MAGA level delusions, and I’m not interested in arguing them because you’re a zealot who has come to this thread with the certainty that you cannot be wrong. There’s no point in arguing with someone who can’t accept that reality doesn’t bend to their self-righteous whims.
The irony of calling someone a zealot who can’t be wrong, and then straight up ignoring all criticism of your argument. You are right, there is no point in arguing with someone like you.