It is. There’s no system to check if signature exists in your country’s ID list. Random number generator +random name generator is enough to “validate” the vote.
some countrie’s id numbers have built in checksums or something similar so it would be trivial to implement code to check if the number can be valid even without having access to the actual database so a random number generator would have to be at least a little bit sophisticated
Huh thats stupid. You would think they have a database which they check a hash against at least or something. For the user it would look like everything is excepted but in the backend they would only count the valid ones so you cant brute force it. But of course governments never think about stuff like this so why did i expect it was like this.
There probably isn’t a central database to verify against so the solution would be to come up with a distributed system where each country implements its own verification process and then implement a standardized messaging structure that all countries would have to use. It would be a significant development effort to make something like that and it probably wouldn’t pay off to if it was made just for citizens initiative. Considering in the last 5 years there has been only 4 (5 if we also count SKG) initiatives that have passed 1 mil it’s probably cheaper to collect all the signatures and then have each country verify the dataset that relates to their country.
Countries probably have something in place that would easily verify a person but it would still take extra effort to make that something work with the system is managing the initiative counting.
It’s simply cheaper to collect all the votes and then do the verification rather than develop integration to verify in real time.
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For me i had to write my personal number which is not something you could just guess on the fly so i dont think its so easy to fake signatures.
It is. There’s no system to check if signature exists in your country’s ID list. Random number generator +random name generator is enough to “validate” the vote.
some countrie’s id numbers have built in checksums or something similar so it would be trivial to implement code to check if the number can be valid even without having access to the actual database so a random number generator would have to be at least a little bit sophisticated
Huh thats stupid. You would think they have a database which they check a hash against at least or something. For the user it would look like everything is excepted but in the backend they would only count the valid ones so you cant brute force it. But of course governments never think about stuff like this so why did i expect it was like this.
There probably isn’t a central database to verify against so the solution would be to come up with a distributed system where each country implements its own verification process and then implement a standardized messaging structure that all countries would have to use. It would be a significant development effort to make something like that and it probably wouldn’t pay off to if it was made just for citizens initiative. Considering in the last 5 years there has been only 4 (5 if we also count SKG) initiatives that have passed 1 mil it’s probably cheaper to collect all the signatures and then have each country verify the dataset that relates to their country.
I mean countries should have such systems in place. It would make a lot of things easier.
Countries probably have something in place that would easily verify a person but it would still take extra effort to make that something work with the system is managing the initiative counting.
It’s simply cheaper to collect all the votes and then do the verification rather than develop integration to verify in real time.