Yeah, I was subject to the same heavy propaganda you were, only difference is that I was mindful enough of it to not let it get me to the point of saying absurd nonsense like what you said.
Also, you can’t really do the whole “I know I’m also not immune to propaganda” thing when you were just mindlessly regurgitating it to explicitly defend the British state propaganda network.
Nice big urban square, lined with beautiful historical buildings.
What do you think of the Uyghurs?
You don’t meet them too often, but the ones I met were nice people.
Did the URSS create famines?
Famines in the USSR were caused by a multitude of factors - drought and (civil) war being the most prominent. The war was brought to the USSR by outside forces - the whites where financed by the UK and the US, WWII was brought to the USSR by Germany. So famine in the USSR was created by western forces more than anything.
After 1947 there were no known famines. Since famines were a regular occurrence before we can conclude that the Soviets effectively ended famines in their territory by then.
That’s literally not whataboutism - whataboutism is when you use irrelevant topics to incorrectly prove a point. The poster literally said it was a litmus test, which means mentioning multiple things as they did is correct and is not whataboutism, especially since their argument is about propaganda.
No, it’s really not. Once they said “litmus test”, that makes it clear they’re doing it intentionally, not as a logical fallacy - it’s gauging bias on common topics, which is relevant to a discussion on bias and propaganda. It’s not a series of seemingly-related non-sequiturs that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I’d love to be proven wrong here - how is what they brought up not relevant to the topic of bias and propaganda, especially wrt the west?
Thanks, but you’re trying to use logic with tankies. They decided the URSS/China are always right, any proof against that narrative is just western propaganda according to them.
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The irony of poking fun of UK state media, while posting a link to a website controlled by Chinese state media.
wut?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok#Corporate_structure
Jesus, westerners really are the most propagandised people on Earth
Yes we are but don’t act like your shit doesn’t stink too. We’re all victims of heavy propaganda.
Yeah, I was subject to the same heavy propaganda you were, only difference is that I was mindful enough of it to not let it get me to the point of saying absurd nonsense like what you said.
Also, you can’t really do the whole “I know I’m also not immune to propaganda” thing when you were just mindlessly regurgitating it to explicitly defend the British state propaganda network.
Hey, not to be this guy but please don’t forget Rule 1.
Edit: Ahh wait I thought it was a .ml community, in which case rule 1 is be nice.
Okay lets do the litmus test:
What do you think of tianmen square?
What do you think of the Uyghurs?
Did the URSS create famines?
Edit: i sure riled up a bunch of tankies 😂
Nice big urban square, lined with beautiful historical buildings.
You don’t meet them too often, but the ones I met were nice people.
Famines in the USSR were caused by a multitude of factors - drought and (civil) war being the most prominent. The war was brought to the USSR by outside forces - the whites where financed by the UK and the US, WWII was brought to the USSR by Germany. So famine in the USSR was created by western forces more than anything.
After 1947 there were no known famines. Since famines were a regular occurrence before we can conclude that the Soviets effectively ended famines in their territory by then.
No /s anywhere to be found.
Edit: forgot to look at which server I was on.
No need to be sarcastic when they’re right.
They’re lemmy.ml russ-bots or tankies, logic doesn’t funnction on them.
Take it as a learning opportunity, and maybe consider reading a book some time
Tiananmen*
Whataboutism
Whataboutism
Whataboutism
That’s literally not whataboutism - whataboutism is when you use irrelevant topics to incorrectly prove a point. The poster literally said it was a litmus test, which means mentioning multiple things as they did is correct and is not whataboutism, especially since their argument is about propaganda.
Yes, which is exactly what they did.
No, it’s really not. Once they said “litmus test”, that makes it clear they’re doing it intentionally, not as a logical fallacy - it’s gauging bias on common topics, which is relevant to a discussion on bias and propaganda. It’s not a series of seemingly-related non-sequiturs that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.
I’d love to be proven wrong here - how is what they brought up not relevant to the topic of bias and propaganda, especially wrt the west?
Thanks, but you’re trying to use logic with tankies. They decided the URSS/China are always right, any proof against that narrative is just western propaganda according to them.
That’s definitely the most sinister thing about propaganda, that everyone things they’re unaffected by it.
“The irony of poking fun of UK state media, while posting a link to a website controlled by Chinese state media. “
Parroting state propaganda doesn’t make you immune to propaganda lmao