As a dwarf fortress lover, I was never interested in either of those because you can’t “win”. For me the entire point of the hardship of a rogue like is to overcome the difficulty and reach the goal. I don’t want an endless roguelike sandbox, I want a challenge with a carrot at the specifically defined end.
I want an actual real time strategy game. All popular RTSs are actually just about tactics and micro. I mean every SC2 guide will tell you that up to a very high level of play, if you’re just doing more you’ll be more efficient and win regardless of strategy. Why can’t you just set a standing order of “make unit x” or “make unit x while we have gas until we get to 50 of them”? That’s strategy. Having to tab back to a building and manually queue a couple of units every several seconds is just creating busywork for players, but thats what’s necessary and optimal for playing SC2 and most RTS games well