“they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.
from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly:
Batman: [seeing the wall of monitors for the first time at the Applied Sciences division in Wayne Enterprises] Beautiful, isn’t it?
Lucius Fox: Beautiful… unethical… dangerous. You’ve turned every cellphone in Gotham into a microphone.
Batman: And a high-frequency generator-receiver.
Lucius Fox: You took my sonar concept and applied it to every phone in the city. With half the city feeding you sonar, you can image all of Gotham. This is wrong.
Batman: I’ve gotta find this man, Lucius.
Lucius Fox: At what cost?
Batman: The database is null-key encrypted. It can only be accessed by one person.
Lucius Fox: This is too much power for one person.
Batman: That’s why I gave it to you. Only you can use it.
Lucius Fox: Spying on 30 million people isn’t part of my job description.
Based on what I’ve seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
I honestly don’t think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.
And if you are thinking ‘how can people be that stupid’, I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can’t read.
So yes, it’s the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.
Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, “Well my videos aren’t being shared online to Amazon because I checked the ‘privacy’ settings.”
Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?
Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.
They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?
For me personally, I wouldn’t consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and… how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?
It just seems playing right into their hands, I’d rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.
I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.
Ah i am feel ashamed. I wanted to put besides hairless cats. But i knew there are like a dozen cute ones in total. So i didnt thinking i was being mean.
It’s not that it will be abused. It means this private company already does much more with it, about you. Oh wait, not a private company, one of the worst companies of all time
What part of this is humour? America has several death camps at the moment. People are actively disappearing from the system and can no longer be looked up. No one in the entire regime is able to locate them.
It’s a combination of two things, the subversion of expectation, which is a common device in jokes, and the criticism of authority, which is another, similarly common, one.
In my comment, I’m pointing out that these cameras are a risk for even broader abuses than just subpoenas, and compliance with law enforcement requests under the guise of finding lost family members.
The responder humorously twists my words to claim that it’s not a problem because the lost family members have already been swept up in an indiscriminate drag net, such that the cameras can not find them.
I was trying to point out that this feature may be even worse than that because it doesn’t even require a formal law enforcement request. If this becomes what it looks like, even private contractors will be able to access it without raising any alarms, further lowering the bar.
Yeah finding the one application that people would support. Everyone loves dogs, well everyone except for our political and business leaders. ie the president and epstein and their like, they hate dogs, go figure.
It’s real. I watched it with my mouth hanging open. I know the capability has been there for a while but openly advertising it as a good truly shocked me.
my newest neighbors are having ring cameras installed in my apartment building and that combined with the knowledge that ring shares this data to the highest bidder (which is often the gov’t), i feel like my civil rights are being violated every time i have to walk past the ring cameras every time i walk out my front door. lol
I don’t know if you live in a state where you just get shot for nocking but calling the bell and explaining your concerns to them usually works at least for me.
it’s more peculiar than that: the ring cameras were installed over a month ago, but neither tenants have moved in yet and they both clearly have money since they’ve both had their apartment renovated by professionals instead of the landlord’s maintenance guys.
i’m guessing that these apartments are just their “city home” and i doubt that they will take kindly to a poor telling them how to live.
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“they who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
Yes I know the issues with the founding father narrative. However, I think that this quote is very true and applies to the situation we are currently facing.
The only counter to this: Sousveillance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
Related Batman quotes:
Batman movie dialouge
from IMDB, Morgan Freeman as Lucius Fox voices the consternation perfectly:
Are there really enough braindead consumers out there to make this viable?
Based on what I’ve seen, it is so so so much worse than you think.
I honestly don’t think the majority of those who see this ad will even consider negative uses of this system.
And if you are thinking ‘how can people be that stupid’, I will remind you that college professors are having to change their curriculums because many of their students can’t read.
So yes, it’s the day after the super bowl and I am quite sure the Gestapo cameras are flying off the shelves in the Amazon fulfillment centers.
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Sadly true
Yes.
Nextdoor is full of morons sharing their ring videos and then going, “Well my videos aren’t being shared online to Amazon because I checked the ‘privacy’ settings.”
Ew wtf
Omfg I just watched this elsewhere. Also it’s free. How kind of them.
I think this is just trying to put a good spin on it before any privacy concerns come up.
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Should we buy ring nodes and feed them poisoned video feed?
Benn Jordan was recently doing work on poisoned audio files, making it so models are damaged by ingesting his music. I believe the same should be possible with video streams.
They probably won’t be training on the poisoned nodes, but they sure as hell will be wasting power on them. That makes it more expensive to do this stuff, no?
For me personally, I wouldn’t consider it worth the risk. You still have to make an Amazon account, hand over your personal information, let their cameras onto your network (of course, you can VLAN them) and… how many people are gonna do this to make it effective?
It just seems playing right into their hands, I’d rather outright boycott anything Amazon (I understand easier for some than others) than waste my time, money and effort into protecting my personal info against a user hostile company.
I agree, that’s the most practical approach and I wouldn’t blame anyone for choosing it. For me personally, though, I’m a little pissed off that these companies get to have such inhostile environment for their shenanigans. It’s like a playground for them, where they get to happily A|B test the various surveillance state softwares that will eventually get sold to oppressive regimes (just like Flock). I’m at a point where I’m willing to spend a not-so-insignificant portion of my time, energy, and know-how on inventing a little bit more friction for them. It shouldn’t be so easy for them to fuck us. They didn’t even offer dinner, first.
“since launch, more than a dog a day has been reunited with their family”
Yeah, because cats know how to evade the fascist state. All Cats Are Beautiful …
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400ish found out of 10 million is…incredibly pathetic, lol.
It’s apparently enough justification to get people to consent to having their doorbell cams used for surveillance by 3rd parties 🫠
Yall do it with your smartphones and your airtags anyway.
I consented to that when i accepted the EULAs on all the stuff i signed up for online over the years. I’m not consenting to this though! 😉
AirTag doesn’t have facial recognition. Also there is no reverse engineering who an AirTag belongs to. Not even Apple can see in their databases.
I mean there are some ugly damn cats, for real.
Shut up. No. There. Is. Not!
goblin mode
I would massage all of his scalp wrinkles.
Ah i am feel ashamed. I wanted to put besides hairless cats. But i knew there are like a dozen cute ones in total. So i didnt thinking i was being mean.
Im gonna downvote my own comment.
Don’t take the precious! Smeagol wants it!
Ugly but cute. If hairless, 🤮.
In this case the other end of the cat is cuter.
That is a chupacabra. Not a cat.
Ew wtf
what the fuck
This won’t be abused at all /s
This isn’t new. These companies have been doing this for a long long time. They need to be stopped.
First it was subpoenas, then it was complying with law enforcement requests. I think the new development is that just anyone can do it.
It’s not that it will be abused. It means this private company already does much more with it, about you. Oh wait, not a private company, one of the worst companies of all time
No kidding, and the feature is on by default. It’ll be lost human family members next.
Won’t work, there are no doorbells in the death camps
There’s the unexpected dark humor FTW.
What part of this is humour? America has several death camps at the moment. People are actively disappearing from the system and can no longer be looked up. No one in the entire regime is able to locate them.
What do you personally think happened to them?
It’s a combination of two things, the subversion of expectation, which is a common device in jokes, and the criticism of authority, which is another, similarly common, one.
In my comment, I’m pointing out that these cameras are a risk for even broader abuses than just subpoenas, and compliance with law enforcement requests under the guise of finding lost family members.
The responder humorously twists my words to claim that it’s not a problem because the lost family members have already been swept up in an indiscriminate drag net, such that the cameras can not find them.
The joke is on the DHS, and not it’s victims.
They already partnered with flock last year, the same flock that shares with “law” enforcement
I was trying to point out that this feature may be even worse than that because it doesn’t even require a formal law enforcement request. If this becomes what it looks like, even private contractors will be able to access it without raising any alarms, further lowering the bar.
Yes, organized crime loses their marks they are shaking down, luckily if they are up to date on their ring subscription…
I hadn’t even considered this aspect. I guess we can kiss goodbye the witness protection program.
Introducing search party for ‘illegals’
upbeat music plays 🥰
™
Ring camera users already can submit feeds from their camera to police, on request.
Wow, I mean, with all the disgusting implications to this, you gotta hand it to their marketing team.
Yeah finding the one application that people would support. Everyone loves dogs, well everyone except for our political and business leaders. ie the president and epstein and their like, they hate dogs, go figure.
This is not real right… Right… It’s a joke right? I hate the world because I really can’t tell.
It’s real. I watched it with my mouth hanging open. I know the capability has been there for a while but openly advertising it as a good truly shocked me.
My wife and I yelled at the same time when that ad played. Insanely dystopian.
It’s been real for a long time now, this is how ring works. You have to manually turn this stuff off and no one does.
There are some informative videos on this spy network.
my newest neighbors are having ring cameras installed in my apartment building and that combined with the knowledge that ring shares this data to the highest bidder (which is often the gov’t), i feel like my civil rights are being violated every time i have to walk past the ring cameras every time i walk out my front door. lol
I don’t know if you live in a state where you just get shot for nocking but calling the bell and explaining your concerns to them usually works at least for me.
it’s more peculiar than that: the ring cameras were installed over a month ago, but neither tenants have moved in yet and they both clearly have money since they’ve both had their apartment renovated by professionals instead of the landlord’s maintenance guys.
i’m guessing that these apartments are just their “city home” and i doubt that they will take kindly to a poor telling them how to live.
They’re not only rolling out the total surveillance society- they are making people pay for it and subscribe to monthly fees for the privilege.
How else are we going to know who is at the door? I mean, I guess we could open it but that’s boring
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Ok but you can just rewrite this meme with your deauth packets on the left side and Wifi 6 on the right side.
So still effective right now. I wardrobe as a hobby when I get bored and there’s very few APs ready for this. We’ve got a few years.
did you mean war drive? are people still war driving?
I did, but that’s hilarious so I’m gonna keep it.
I commute and travel a good amount, it gives be something interesting to do 🤷♂️