I guess it’s easy to win an argument if you put extreme views in everyone’s mouth and argue against that.
I doubt anyone thinks AI has more value then human made. Most are just being pragmatic, knowing that AI isn’t going away and most indie teams don’t have the budget for a dedicated texture guy. There is simply more to gain then to lose, and applauding copyright companies and data aggregators doesn’t solve the issues but just gives a handful of companies a monopoly when they push legislation with the help of your fervent support.
AI companies are the biggest data aggregator though and they indiscriminately scrape literally everything. I am personally completely against copyright and patent law specifically. But sometimes, like in this case, they can be necessary tools. There are probably better ways to protect against AI but none that are recognized in our current framework of how society functions. AI companies are literally stealing everything ever posted online, cause they couldn’t exist without all the data, and then selling it back to people in form of tools while destroying the environment in the process with increasingly gigantic and powerhungry data centers. While also destroying the tech consumer market in the process by buying up components or straight up component producers and taking them off the consumer market.
By data aggregators, I strictly mean websites like Reddit, Shutterstock, deviant Art, etc. Giving them the keys would bring up the cost of building a state of the art model so that any open sourcing would be literally impossible. These models already cost in the low millions to develop.
Take video generation for instance, almost all the data is owned by YouTube and Hollywood. Google wanted to charge 300$ a month to use it but instead, we have free models that can run on high end consumer hardware.
Scraping has been accepted for a long time and making it illegal would be disastrous. It would make the entry price for any kind of computer vision software or search engine incredibly high, not just gen AI.
I’d love to have laws that forced everything made with public data to be open source but that is not what copyright companies, AI companies and the media are pushing for. They don’t want to help artists, they want to help themselves. They want to be able to dictate the price of entry which suits them and the big AI companies as well.
I’m all for laws to regulate data centers and manufacturing, but again, that’s not what is being pushed for. Most anti-AI peeps seem the be helping the enemy a lot more then they realize.
I’m all for laws to regulate data centers and manufacturing, but again, that’s not what is being pushed for. Most anti-AI peeps seem the be helping the enemy a lot more then they realize.
I’m guessing there’s a lot of controlled opposition which is incredibly cheap to produce, doesn’t leave much of a paper trail, and is reasonably effective.
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I guess it’s easy to win an argument if you put extreme views in everyone’s mouth and argue against that.
I doubt anyone thinks AI has more value then human made. Most are just being pragmatic, knowing that AI isn’t going away and most indie teams don’t have the budget for a dedicated texture guy. There is simply more to gain then to lose, and applauding copyright companies and data aggregators doesn’t solve the issues but just gives a handful of companies a monopoly when they push legislation with the help of your fervent support.
AI companies are the biggest data aggregator though and they indiscriminately scrape literally everything. I am personally completely against copyright and patent law specifically. But sometimes, like in this case, they can be necessary tools. There are probably better ways to protect against AI but none that are recognized in our current framework of how society functions. AI companies are literally stealing everything ever posted online, cause they couldn’t exist without all the data, and then selling it back to people in form of tools while destroying the environment in the process with increasingly gigantic and powerhungry data centers. While also destroying the tech consumer market in the process by buying up components or straight up component producers and taking them off the consumer market.
By data aggregators, I strictly mean websites like Reddit, Shutterstock, deviant Art, etc. Giving them the keys would bring up the cost of building a state of the art model so that any open sourcing would be literally impossible. These models already cost in the low millions to develop.
Take video generation for instance, almost all the data is owned by YouTube and Hollywood. Google wanted to charge 300$ a month to use it but instead, we have free models that can run on high end consumer hardware.
Scraping has been accepted for a long time and making it illegal would be disastrous. It would make the entry price for any kind of computer vision software or search engine incredibly high, not just gen AI.
I’d love to have laws that forced everything made with public data to be open source but that is not what copyright companies, AI companies and the media are pushing for. They don’t want to help artists, they want to help themselves. They want to be able to dictate the price of entry which suits them and the big AI companies as well.
I’m all for laws to regulate data centers and manufacturing, but again, that’s not what is being pushed for. Most anti-AI peeps seem the be helping the enemy a lot more then they realize.
I’m guessing there’s a lot of controlled opposition which is incredibly cheap to produce, doesn’t leave much of a paper trail, and is reasonably effective.