Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.
edit: Yes, I’m poking fun at the Japanese for using logograms. If your take from this is that I’m saying the Japanese are bad and not that logograms are bad, ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
I was actually going to call it a removed writing, referencing how imperial units are known through non-Americans on the internet, but I already knew the word would be censored (yep, I didn’t write “removed”, lemmy did). In hindsight “functional” wasn’t the best pick, not because it’s “offensive” or whatever you may think (in fact, I find it surreal that anyone managed to find it offensive lol), but because it’s not poking enough fun at it… if I said “like a normal language” instead, would you be more outraged by the joke? It seems like a better pick for the future, so let me know - I’m sure I’m going to have more opportunities to poke fun at logograms, and also sure I’ll find more people addicted to being outraged trying to make it about race. So get here your quick fix, I’m basically Hitler.
Why? And what constitutes a “functional language” to you?
Is the fact that they can read, write, speak, and understand the language not “functional” enough for you? The point gets across to the person receiving the message.
You can even translate it to a “functional language” of your choice, with some restrictions. Translation restrictions aren’t isolated to Japanese either, there’s lots of languages that have things which don’t translate well, or at all, to English.
Uhh… Basically every language I can think of have had some form of childhood activity that pushed learning it’s asinine rules at some point in it’s history.
Cause fun fact.
Literally every language that has ever existed is batshit crazy, makes no sense and might as well be unhinged nonsense.
That’s not a monopoly English has. Not by a fucking long shot.
The more i look into different languages, the more i feel different languages are just as complex as each other, with complexity put in different places
I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system, and imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system… why is one racist and the other is not?
If someone around was still using roman numerals I’d also say it’s an excellent time to drop that system, but fortunately everyone already did.
edit: Bonus question: If I say it’s an excellent time to drop the Gregorian calendar do I win at racism for expanding it to the whole world?
The Chinese use ideograms so booo, but their local mix of lunar and solar calendar is great.
I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system
That’s nice, but what you originally said was that “the Japanese don’t have a functional writing system”, which is bigoted, because it constitutes an unreasonable belief/prejudice against a particular group of people (“the Japanese”). It’s an unreasonable position because the Japanese writing system is obviously functional, as millions of people use it to great effect every day.
imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system
This is not bigotry because it isn’t an unreasonable belief, and it doesn’t target/prejudice against one specific group (other than ‘imperial measurement users’, which isn’t really an identifying or culturally significant group).
Bonus question: If I say it’s an excellent time to drop the Gregorian calendar do I win at racism for expanding it to the whole world?
Bonus answer: no, bigotry targets/prejudices against a specific identifying group. “The whole world” doesn’t qualify as a group that you can be bigoted against. Hating everyone makes you a grumpy curmudgeon, but not a racist.
Do you make it a habit to misquote people on purpose? My post is right there, if you want to use quotation marks to say I said something, at least write what I actually wrote instead of making something up, that’s very dishonest.
I’m very specifically saying ideograms/logograms aren’t a “functional” writing system (yeah, they are technically “functional” - as imperial units, they are just very bad). Ideograms/logograms aren’t exclusive to the Japanese - and neither do the Japanese use only that system (so your fabricated quote is non sequitur). The mention of Japanese is a context parody of the comment I replied to, had the guy said “Excellent time for Chinese…” then my sentence would say Chinese instead of Japanese. I’m roasting a writing system and you all trying to make it about race… quite sad and pathetic excuse to be outraged.
ps: “Imperial measurement users” are an “identifying or culturally significant group”, they are called Americans - technically, Liberia and Myanmar also primarily use imperial units, but they are not a culturally significant group over the internet. So if you are talking about “imperial measurement users”, you are talking about Americans.
Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.
Your original comment (included above for convenience) very clearly implies that Japanese is not a functional language because it doesn’t use an alphabet. I didn’t misrepresent you at all.
“Imperial measurement users” are an “identifying or culturally significant group”, they are called Americans
First, plenty of other places other than America, Liberia, and Myanmar use imperial units. And even if they didn’t, the inclusion of Liberia and Myanmar means “imperial system users” isn’t just identifying Americans, so you’re just flat out incorrect about that. I’m ignoring the bit where you said “[Liberia and Myanmar] are not culturally significant groups over the internet” because that implies that you think bigotry only exists on the Internet, or maybe you think you can only be bigoted against a group with a large enough Internet presence or something? Which I know you can’t possibly think, so I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt there and chalking that up to a miscommunication.
Second, bigotry necessarily involves holding an unreasonable position or belief. The belief that the imperial system is worse than metric is not unreasonable, because there’s evidence supporting that belief, and there’s even a large number of imperial system users that hold that belief. The belief that it’s “time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language” is unreasonable for the reasons I explained previously.
Third, it doesn’t matter what ethnicity or nationality you used, the structure of your statement would still be bigoted, because it would still be an unreasonable belief that prejudices against a particular group of people.
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Excellent time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language.
edit: Yes, I’m poking fun at the Japanese for using logograms. If your take from this is that I’m saying the Japanese are bad and not that logograms are bad, ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯
I was actually going to call it a removed writing, referencing how imperial units are known through non-Americans on the internet, but I already knew the word would be censored (yep, I didn’t write “removed”, lemmy did). In hindsight “functional” wasn’t the best pick, not because it’s “offensive” or whatever you may think (in fact, I find it surreal that anyone managed to find it offensive lol), but because it’s not poking enough fun at it… if I said “like a normal language” instead, would you be more outraged by the joke? It seems like a better pick for the future, so let me know - I’m sure I’m going to have more opportunities to poke fun at logograms, and also sure I’ll find more people addicted to being outraged trying to make it about race. So get here your quick fix, I’m basically Hitler.
Like, haskell? But why?!
Why? And what constitutes a “functional language” to you?
Is the fact that they can read, write, speak, and understand the language not “functional” enough for you? The point gets across to the person receiving the message.
You can even translate it to a “functional language” of your choice, with some restrictions. Translation restrictions aren’t isolated to Japanese either, there’s lots of languages that have things which don’t translate well, or at all, to English.
… they already have two syllabaries. They’re not about to upend their whole writing system just to maintain foreign intellectual property.
that’s literally one of the most bigoted comments I’ve ever seen in the fediverse
your comment is in English, a language so non-functional it’s the only one that had to have spelling bees to get kids to learn its asinine rules
Uhh… Basically every language I can think of have had some form of childhood activity that pushed learning it’s asinine rules at some point in it’s history.
Cause fun fact.
Literally every language that has ever existed is batshit crazy, makes no sense and might as well be unhinged nonsense.
That’s not a monopoly English has. Not by a fucking long shot.
That guy’s comment is racist as fuck tho
The more i look into different languages, the more i feel different languages are just as complex as each other, with complexity put in different places
Chances are high they hate it because they had to learn kanji in school or for work.
I also think it’s an excellent time for Americans to drop imperial units and use metrics like a functional measurement system - is this also racist?
No, that’s a whole new unrelated topic. Any other questions?
I think ideograms suck because they are an extremely bad writing system, and imperial units suck because they are an extremely bad measurement system… why is one racist and the other is not?
If someone around was still using roman numerals I’d also say it’s an excellent time to drop that system, but fortunately everyone already did.
edit: Bonus question: If I say it’s an excellent time to drop the Gregorian calendar do I win at racism for expanding it to the whole world?
The Chinese use ideograms so booo, but their local mix of lunar and solar calendar is great.
And I think you suck because you are an extremely bad person.
Equivalent statement right?
Oh no, now you are being bigot towards *whatever ethnicity I belong*
- if I was to use the logic going on here.
I did not mention an ethnicity. I mentioned you, specifically.
That’s nice, but what you originally said was that “the Japanese don’t have a functional writing system”, which is bigoted, because it constitutes an unreasonable belief/prejudice against a particular group of people (“the Japanese”). It’s an unreasonable position because the Japanese writing system is obviously functional, as millions of people use it to great effect every day.
This is not bigotry because it isn’t an unreasonable belief, and it doesn’t target/prejudice against one specific group (other than ‘imperial measurement users’, which isn’t really an identifying or culturally significant group).
Bonus answer: no, bigotry targets/prejudices against a specific identifying group. “The whole world” doesn’t qualify as a group that you can be bigoted against. Hating everyone makes you a grumpy curmudgeon, but not a racist.
Hope this helps.
Do you make it a habit to misquote people on purpose? My post is right there, if you want to use quotation marks to say I said something, at least write what I actually wrote instead of making something up, that’s very dishonest.
I’m very specifically saying ideograms/logograms aren’t a “functional” writing system (yeah, they are technically “functional” - as imperial units, they are just very bad). Ideograms/logograms aren’t exclusive to the Japanese - and neither do the Japanese use only that system (so your fabricated quote is non sequitur). The mention of Japanese is a context parody of the comment I replied to, had the guy said “Excellent time for Chinese…” then my sentence would say Chinese instead of Japanese. I’m roasting a writing system and you all trying to make it about race… quite sad and pathetic excuse to be outraged.
ps: “Imperial measurement users” are an “identifying or culturally significant group”, they are called Americans - technically, Liberia and Myanmar also primarily use imperial units, but they are not a culturally significant group over the internet. So if you are talking about “imperial measurement users”, you are talking about Americans.
I’m not being dishonest, I paraphrased.
Your original comment (included above for convenience) very clearly implies that Japanese is not a functional language because it doesn’t use an alphabet. I didn’t misrepresent you at all.
First, plenty of other places other than America, Liberia, and Myanmar use imperial units. And even if they didn’t, the inclusion of Liberia and Myanmar means “imperial system users” isn’t just identifying Americans, so you’re just flat out incorrect about that. I’m ignoring the bit where you said “[Liberia and Myanmar] are not culturally significant groups over the internet” because that implies that you think bigotry only exists on the Internet, or maybe you think you can only be bigoted against a group with a large enough Internet presence or something? Which I know you can’t possibly think, so I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt there and chalking that up to a miscommunication.
Second, bigotry necessarily involves holding an unreasonable position or belief. The belief that the imperial system is worse than metric is not unreasonable, because there’s evidence supporting that belief, and there’s even a large number of imperial system users that hold that belief. The belief that it’s “time for the Japanese to drop ideogram/logogram system and have an alphabet like a functional language” is unreasonable for the reasons I explained previously.
Third, it doesn’t matter what ethnicity or nationality you used, the structure of your statement would still be bigoted, because it would still be an unreasonable belief that prejudices against a particular group of people.
Hope this helps.