I mean woke is usually when everything has Female, LGBT or Black characters in it that don’t fit the story at all and or are written to be a walking cliche and or are just obviously there for “diversity”.
Female characters often also have strong woman syndrome, wich means that they are over the top perfect from the start and don’t have character development.
I think they are saying most attempts at diversity come from middle aged white guys and just end up being poorly done and so detract from the game/story.
Similar to how 00’s electronic companies just painted it pink to appeal to women or why South Park added Token.
So arguing for more diversity within the companies themselves
You could have a main female character in Mass Effect but it never felt shoehorned in like a lot of crap these days. In fact I have never played Male!Shep.
You are far worse than the people you are claiming to act against.
Lots of people can feel something is a problem and struggle to articulate it. So you have to take people on a case by case basis.
OP talks about how they feel diverse characters are shoe horned in or badly written. Ask them to provide an example.
When they can’t, then call them out. They are a bigot and deserve scorn.
If they can provide an example, help them understand the issue and use appropriate language.
Calling someone out who genuinely feels there is a problem doesn’t stop them feeling there is a problem. These people will go looking for some who acknowledges their feelings.
“It’s your fault that bigot’s a bigot, because you called out their bigoted feelings. All they did was articulate how black people in a video game was a conspiracy! Why didn’t you ask for more examples of their wackaloon thinking?!”
I mean woke is usually when everything has Female, LGBT or Black characters in it that don’t fit the story at all and or are written to be a walking cliche and or are just obviously there for “diversity”.
So, that means almost nothing is woke then? Because I see very few requirements for when something “fits the story”.
There’s a lot of shitty writing though, always has been and always will be, but according to you, when a white guy has crap writing, it’s just crap writing, but when a black woman has crappy writing, it’s woke?
Esg has opened the flood gates for poor writing, we are used to the hero tale where someone comes from a normal to difficult background, theyre thrown into a situation they cant handle and so they must become strong, they in the end do become strong and that is the character ark.
Investment check boxing has made a scene where character arks are avoided, a black woman can’t be viewed as week as the company’s esg score will go down so now there is media depicting only strong character which is highly unrelatable.
I am all for inclusivity but it need to be done right and not for an investment rating, its akin to rainbow flag banners on socials whilst funding a racists campaign.
I think you need to remove the rose-coloured glasses, and look at how much utter crap there used to be 20 years ago. Or 10 years. Or 50 years.
You’re pretty much cherrypicking all the shitty-writing-with-non-white/male-characters, and completely ignoring all the shitty-writing-with-white-male-characters. 90% of everything is crap, but if you cherrypick all the diverse characters that suck, then yeah, you’re going to find a lot of shitty diverse characters.
I didn’t pick anything, there has and will always be shitty writing. But that doesn’t mean I’m okay with it, especially when race, gender, sexuality are used as a vehicle to profit whilst adding little to no substance.
The issue is obvious where we can’t risk having a weak diverse character as it could harm esp rating and in turn profits, so we have a diverse characters that are strong and aren’t relatable.
Look at game like Hellblade Senuas Sacrifice, it wasn’t made to appease the esg system, yet its opened people up to mental health, gender, power struggles. Hands down its amazing story telling.
Not a game but the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer that was recently aired on netflix was also eye open, then there the old but gold Rosemary’s Baby again great story telling.
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I mean woke is usually when everything has Female, LGBT or Black characters in it that don’t fit the story at all and or are written to be a walking cliche and or are just obviously there for “diversity”.
Female characters often also have strong woman syndrome, wich means that they are over the top perfect from the start and don’t have character development.
This counts for all media not just Games.
As if white guys are the default and it’s everyone else who’s different.
No, they aren’t but from a media perspective they tend to be for a large part and somehow are written better than diverse characters.
My theory is that Female, LGBT and black characters are written bad on purpose as rage bait.
“I’m angry at black people so it’s their fault!”
Aaand blocked.
I think they are saying most attempts at diversity come from middle aged white guys and just end up being poorly done and so detract from the game/story.
Similar to how 00’s electronic companies just painted it pink to appeal to women or why South Park added Token.
So arguing for more diversity within the companies themselves
Exactly but people want to paint me like im the asshole.
You could have a main female character in Mass Effect but it never felt shoehorned in like a lot of crap these days. In fact I have never played Male!Shep.
They’re grasping for excuses to whine about the existence of other people.
Stop giving bigots endless benefit-of-the-doubt.
You are far worse than the people you are claiming to act against.
Lots of people can feel something is a problem and struggle to articulate it. So you have to take people on a case by case basis.
OP talks about how they feel diverse characters are shoe horned in or badly written. Ask them to provide an example.
When they can’t, then call them out. They are a bigot and deserve scorn.
If they can provide an example, help them understand the issue and use appropriate language.
Calling someone out who genuinely feels there is a problem doesn’t stop them feeling there is a problem. These people will go looking for some who acknowledges their feelings.
Which is how you make a bigot
“It’s your fault that bigot’s a bigot, because you called out their bigoted feelings. All they did was articulate how black people in a video game was a conspiracy! Why didn’t you ask for more examples of their wackaloon thinking?!”
Fuck off.
Im literally not at all, i don’t want black characters in shows or games to be clichés on two legs.
(same for Women or LGBT characters)
So, that means almost nothing is woke then? Because I see very few requirements for when something “fits the story”. There’s a lot of shitty writing though, always has been and always will be, but according to you, when a white guy has crap writing, it’s just crap writing, but when a black woman has crappy writing, it’s woke?
Esg has opened the flood gates for poor writing, we are used to the hero tale where someone comes from a normal to difficult background, theyre thrown into a situation they cant handle and so they must become strong, they in the end do become strong and that is the character ark.
Investment check boxing has made a scene where character arks are avoided, a black woman can’t be viewed as week as the company’s esg score will go down so now there is media depicting only strong character which is highly unrelatable.
I am all for inclusivity but it need to be done right and not for an investment rating, its akin to rainbow flag banners on socials whilst funding a racists campaign.
I think you need to remove the rose-coloured glasses, and look at how much utter crap there used to be 20 years ago. Or 10 years. Or 50 years.
You’re pretty much cherrypicking all the shitty-writing-with-non-white/male-characters, and completely ignoring all the shitty-writing-with-white-male-characters. 90% of everything is crap, but if you cherrypick all the diverse characters that suck, then yeah, you’re going to find a lot of shitty diverse characters.
I didn’t pick anything, there has and will always be shitty writing. But that doesn’t mean I’m okay with it, especially when race, gender, sexuality are used as a vehicle to profit whilst adding little to no substance.
The issue is obvious where we can’t risk having a weak diverse character as it could harm esp rating and in turn profits, so we have a diverse characters that are strong and aren’t relatable.
Look at game like Hellblade Senuas Sacrifice, it wasn’t made to appease the esg system, yet its opened people up to mental health, gender, power struggles. Hands down its amazing story telling.
Not a game but the documentary about Jeffrey Dahmer that was recently aired on netflix was also eye open, then there the old but gold Rosemary’s Baby again great story telling.