I gave Linux another shot this past month. It was a lot better than I remembered, but still not good enough, basically in the reliability areas. I wish the experience was “it all just works” like so many have said.
I may not mind giving it another try when Windows Recall goes live.
I used Linux Mint 21 first, which didn’t (correctly) support my ancient wi-fi card or graphics driver. I then tried 22, which was much better, but failed to run a number of games, exhibiting a variety of issues not listed on ProtonDB.
I then switched to Bazzite, which ran those same games correctly, but its OS-integrated file explorer was oversimplified far past what Windows does, it failed to install several Linux-native applications, alt-tab behavior was frequently glitchy around games, and often I would come back from sleep mode with bizarre graphical glitches forcing me to restart.
I’m not even highlighting the poor usability, or the stuff I might be able to reconfigure. I’m okay with taking time to tweak my OS how I want it, but not when that’s just a matter of having it work correctly.
I totally get it. in terms of ease of use and setup, if you ever do give it another go, try fedora. I had similar gaming issues with multiple Linux distros, gave fedora a go, and everything worked pretty much right out of the box, I was super impressed. ymmv ofc but keep it in mind for the future!
it meant to be yes. unfortunately having more stuff baked in can lead to more issues than good on some systems. kde neon is meant to be kubuntu with more stuff baked in but ime it causes more issues than good.
Priority one is having a working computer. Priority two is evading future spyware.
Priority three is using an OS where seeking support for issues doesn’t produce the reply “Sounds like you fucked something up, idiot, because it works perfectly for me!”
I’ve received that reply too many times and can understand why it turns people away. I got lucky and eventually got someone more willing to actually help and been dual booting since.
You’re saying this to someone who took the time to format a drive to install Linux, read up on recommended partition structure, and take the time tweaking desktop settings to my preference, in genuine hope it would become a daily driver so I could stop using Windows. All of that effort still wasn’t enough.
The quote wasn’t pointed to you, but it was a generalized view of how seeking help turns out. Your above comment, and this one, are showing the same thing: You, and Linux users in general, need only the tiniest justification to belittle someone for not being a 100% Linux devotee/apologist.
It was a response to me. Yeah I don’t really understand people who claim to have put a lot of effort into using Linux and then had to switch back after truly giving it a shot. Because that describes my experience with it 15 years ago. The improvements since then are enormous, yet people always seem to expect me to believe that in fact no, it’s not just a handful of issues/adjustments. It’s actually still unusable. I’m sure writing this makes me a monstrous vitriolic asshole but whatever. It doesn’t. We both know windows has a fuckton of issues. Being used to them doesn’t erase them.
The only thing I have that doesn’t work, actually smoother and faster than windows, is anti cheat in some games. But really that just makes me play less games with garbage business models. I can just reboot into windows any time but I do about once every 5 months because it’s a piece of shit
Do you honestly think people who hate windows do it for no reason? I guarantee anyone who hates windows has used it for 10+ years and could easily list 20 legit complaints
Do you honestly think that people who use Windows do it for no reason?
We’re not just using a browser over here. We have thousands of games we’d like to continue running, as well as thousands of dollars of business software. PC gaming is buggy enough as it is, without throwing one of a million distros of Linux into the mix.
I could swear it was higher earlier this year/last year but looking at the survey results, Linux climbed to 2% this survey. I think maybe that half remembered headline was something like “Linux is higher than MacOS at 1.5% market share” or something like that instead?
Steam is a massive worldwide market, and the Steam Deck isn’t offered everywhere. Chinese users for example have to import it, so not many are used there.
I got the hardware survey on my Windows PC, but not on my Steamdeck. So I wonder if there is only 1 survey per user, and most people don’t use a steamdeck exclusively?
It does include it. The article list it in detail: 36.79% of the Linux users use the steam deck. And the number is falling, which means there are more users also using Linux on desktop PC (or other gaming handhelds)
I just converted my other brother the other day. atomic distros are great when you are the family tech support guy. Made an ssh only user on all the family computers so I can remotely deal with most of their problems without having to actually touch it or remember their login details.
I’d love to make the move, but there’s a one-two punch of: I play Warzone with family. I think anti-cheat there is only going to get worse. Second? I already get caught with the fiddly bits of errors on Windows sometimes and spend too long searching for answers. Any time I see that on Linux it looks like I’d need years more of active learning new problem solving to reach my current level of comfort.
I’m at that “is it worth planting the apple tree now that I didn’t plant 20 years ago?” thinking.
If it’s within your budget, grab a Steam Deck and use it in docked Desktop mode. It’s a pretty great introduction into Linux IMO, especially due to the fact that Valve themselves are maintaining the OS, and since it’s running on a fixed hardware platform - most online solutions should be applicable to any problems you may encounter.
Worst case, you don’t like it you can always eBay it off to recoup most of your costs?
That WOULD be a fraction of the cost of a new PC. But given my current one is a 2017 build with a 1080 in it, I’m really hoping to make next year the time to free up some money for it regardless. But I do appreciate the thought!
If you can swing it, keep the old PC parts around and put Linux on the old stuff and build up confidence there. I used synergy to move my mouse between windows and Linux and slowly got to the point I felt good enough to jump all in.
hah, respect, but I play Warzone with some cousins who are on console. (Actually I just searched, and I didn’t realize Warframe had crossplay now! I might have to at least get them to give it a shot, thanks for the mention!)
Nah you’re good. I’m absolutely going to suggest we give Warframe a try. And if we get off of Warzone, maybe I’ll end up moving sooner rather than later.
I’m not really a tech guy at all and I let these nerds talk me into trying Linux Mint, I haven’t bothered with Windows 10 for several months now. There was some frustrating troubleshooting at first but once the settings are tweaked how you like them, the updates don’t negate your tweaks like with Microsoft.
I’m sure there’s a lot of functionality I’m not maximizing but I don’t feel the need to. I got my productivity stuff figured out, my game stuff figured out, the last thing I really need to get sorted is why my printer is being such a wiener but I use it so sparingly that there’s not much motivation to mess with that.
I did dual boot for a while so I wouldn’t feel overwhelmingly stupid when it came to Linux, so I was able to familiarize myself with the new setup at my pace and that helped quite a bit I think. No harm in going that route, then you can see what happens with Warzone before fully taking the plunge
I actually used Mint for about a year a decade ago, and really liked it then. What made me switch back was the gaming. That said, I hear gaming on Linux has just gotten better and better; just like people in this thread are saying. Whenever I get around to putting together a new PC I’ll probably either dump something Linux on this one or dual boot myself. Sadly I don’t expect Activision to really support it. But hey, Lord knows I’ve been wrong before. (And yeah, printers are often kinda universally assholes though; that we all know.)
Admittedly, I don’t play any games with anti-cheat, but my linux gaming experience over the past two years or so has been outstanding. I don’t believe I have encountered a single game that I have wanted to play, but could not. And 99.9% of them work without any tweaking required.
I see. That’s not what “security by obscurity” means in my world, but the expression certainly sounds like it could. It’s not like I own the meaning of words, so it’s interesting to hear what it means to others. Could also have been meant figuratively, I suppose.
I meant it in the sense of using an obscure operating system to be less likely to be targeted by a threat actor.
Or to be more general, using obscure software for increased security, over actually correctly configuring and using secure software.
Viruses already exist for Linux and have for a long time. They are less prevalent than Windows but this obviously shouldn’t be the primary defense strategy for your device.
and I’m so amazed how well it just works with proton.
Yeah dude!
I’m relatively new to Linux, so I don’t really have any experience pre-proton. But I get the feeling that there are TONS of people who haven’t tried it in years, that truly do not understand how far it has come. I’m sure they’ve heard that before, etc., but I can say that it’s 100% true this time.
If you haven’t tried gaming on Linux since before the Steam Deck came out, I implore you to give it another shot. Even better if you use a gaming-oriented distro (I’m on Bazzite now, and it has been wonderful).
That might bias the results towards gaming cafes and people building test machines. Cases where an account is used but a single snapshot doesn’t necessarily reflect what they normally use or that would capture the same machine multiple times.
I have two computers that I attempt to install Windows 11 on just out of curiosity. My old gaming rig which has a motherboard from I would think 2016 (technically the entire computer is from 2010 but other than the case I don’t think any component is that old) can install Windows 11. A laptop I got in 2019 can’t install it. How does that work?
Ditto. Windows is now impossible to decrapify. Have dipped my toe in Linux gaming about a half dozen times starting in 2004 but it never felt ready til now. Proton, nvidia drivers and distros like Nobara making it not just possible but a better experience.
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I gave Linux another shot this past month. It was a lot better than I remembered, but still not good enough, basically in the reliability areas. I wish the experience was “it all just works” like so many have said.
I may not mind giving it another try when Windows Recall goes live.
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I used Linux Mint 21 first, which didn’t (correctly) support my ancient wi-fi card or graphics driver. I then tried 22, which was much better, but failed to run a number of games, exhibiting a variety of issues not listed on ProtonDB.
I then switched to Bazzite, which ran those same games correctly, but its OS-integrated file explorer was oversimplified far past what Windows does, it failed to install several Linux-native applications, alt-tab behavior was frequently glitchy around games, and often I would come back from sleep mode with bizarre graphical glitches forcing me to restart.
I’m not even highlighting the poor usability, or the stuff I might be able to reconfigure. I’m okay with taking time to tweak my OS how I want it, but not when that’s just a matter of having it work correctly.
That sucks it didn’t work well for you. Hopefully the useability is more improved the next time you may be willing to try again.
I totally get it. in terms of ease of use and setup, if you ever do give it another go, try fedora. I had similar gaming issues with multiple Linux distros, gave fedora a go, and everything worked pretty much right out of the box, I was super impressed. ymmv ofc but keep it in mind for the future!
Isn’t Bazzite just Fedora with more stuff baked in. If anything, Bazzite is supposed to be even easier and more compatible.
it meant to be yes. unfortunately having more stuff baked in can lead to more issues than good on some systems. kde neon is meant to be kubuntu with more stuff baked in but ime it causes more issues than good.
Sounds like you’re willing to forgive a mountain of bullshit for windows but nothing for a non corporate os
Priority one is having a working computer. Priority two is evading future spyware.
Priority three is using an OS where seeking support for issues doesn’t produce the reply “Sounds like you fucked something up, idiot, because it works perfectly for me!”
I’ve received that reply too many times and can understand why it turns people away. I got lucky and eventually got someone more willing to actually help and been dual booting since.
I didn’t call you an idiot. I just implied you’re looking for reasons to avoid change. Which sounds doubly true after this comment.
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“sounds like you’re biased against it”
“OMG how fucking insulting!”
Also people are switching to Linux so I’m not asking that incorrectly premised question
yeah I decided I didn’t want to get involved in this and deleted that comment over an hour ago. idk why you can still see it but I’m out ✌️
You’re saying this to someone who took the time to format a drive to install Linux, read up on recommended partition structure, and take the time tweaking desktop settings to my preference, in genuine hope it would become a daily driver so I could stop using Windows. All of that effort still wasn’t enough.
The quote wasn’t pointed to you, but it was a generalized view of how seeking help turns out. Your above comment, and this one, are showing the same thing: You, and Linux users in general, need only the tiniest justification to belittle someone for not being a 100% Linux devotee/apologist.
It was a response to me. Yeah I don’t really understand people who claim to have put a lot of effort into using Linux and then had to switch back after truly giving it a shot. Because that describes my experience with it 15 years ago. The improvements since then are enormous, yet people always seem to expect me to believe that in fact no, it’s not just a handful of issues/adjustments. It’s actually still unusable. I’m sure writing this makes me a monstrous vitriolic asshole but whatever. It doesn’t. We both know windows has a fuckton of issues. Being used to them doesn’t erase them.
I sounds like you suffer from internalized proprietary.
“None of my stuff works but I least I don’t have to use WinBloWz$$$”
The only thing I have that doesn’t work, actually smoother and faster than windows, is anti cheat in some games. But really that just makes me play less games with garbage business models. I can just reboot into windows any time but I do about once every 5 months because it’s a piece of shit
Do you honestly think people who hate windows do it for no reason? I guarantee anyone who hates windows has used it for 10+ years and could easily list 20 legit complaints
That’s me. Spent 20 years on windows and then decided to buy a Mac as an experiment. After about a month I was a lifetime convert
Do you honestly think that people who use Windows do it for no reason?
We’re not just using a browser over here. We have thousands of games we’d like to continue running, as well as thousands of dollars of business software. PC gaming is buggy enough as it is, without throwing one of a million distros of Linux into the mix.
You’re not well informed on the topic, that much shows
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Linux users: 👐 it’s happening! 👐
Year 👏 of 👏 the 👏 Linux 👏 Desktop!
Surprised it’s not higher. I would have thought more than 2% of people on Steam were using Steam Deck.
Deck sold well but there are billions of Steam users.
~35 million concurrent active users.
I could swear it was higher earlier this year/last year but looking at the survey results, Linux climbed to 2% this survey. I think maybe that half remembered headline was something like “Linux is higher than MacOS at 1.5% market share” or something like that instead?
What confuses me is a survey earlier this year was 2.32%, so why the actual regression?
I’d have expected it to go up with more time to sell steam decks and whatnot, not regress by 15%.
It goes up and down as people accept to fill the survey or don’t
Steam is a massive worldwide market, and the Steam Deck isn’t offered everywhere. Chinese users for example have to import it, so not many are used there.
I got the hardware survey on my Windows PC, but not on my Steamdeck. So I wonder if there is only 1 survey per user, and most people don’t use a steamdeck exclusively?
I got asked about the survey on both my desktop and Steam Deck.
Curious did you get the survey popup in desktop mode on the deck? Or does it work in “big picture”?
It was in desktop mode, so maybe that makes a difference.
I don’t think the 2% figure includes the steam deck, but I might be wrong
It does include it. The article list it in detail: 36.79% of the Linux users use the steam deck. And the number is falling, which means there are more users also using Linux on desktop PC (or other gaming handhelds)
But that may also just be statistical noise.
Well maybe Linux most likely to hit ~7% global OS market share and total 5%+ Steam Survey user share next 10 years (its just prediction)
Keep dreaming. Not that I hope Linux doesn’t do well. But I can’t imagine it’ll continue to grow into the future.
Over 15% marketshare in India
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Dunno. I don’t live there.
I just converted my other brother the other day. atomic distros are great when you are the family tech support guy. Made an ssh only user on all the family computers so I can remotely deal with most of their problems without having to actually touch it or remember their login details.
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I got rid of my dual boot arch/windows, and installed single boot draugerOS this week end.
I’d love to make the move, but there’s a one-two punch of: I play Warzone with family. I think anti-cheat there is only going to get worse. Second? I already get caught with the fiddly bits of errors on Windows sometimes and spend too long searching for answers. Any time I see that on Linux it looks like I’d need years more of active learning new problem solving to reach my current level of comfort.
I’m at that “is it worth planting the apple tree now that I didn’t plant 20 years ago?” thinking.
If it’s within your budget, grab a Steam Deck and use it in docked Desktop mode. It’s a pretty great introduction into Linux IMO, especially due to the fact that Valve themselves are maintaining the OS, and since it’s running on a fixed hardware platform - most online solutions should be applicable to any problems you may encounter.
Worst case, you don’t like it you can always eBay it off to recoup most of your costs?
That WOULD be a fraction of the cost of a new PC. But given my current one is a 2017 build with a 1080 in it, I’m really hoping to make next year the time to free up some money for it regardless. But I do appreciate the thought!
If you can swing it, keep the old PC parts around and put Linux on the old stuff and build up confidence there. I used synergy to move my mouse between windows and Linux and slowly got to the point I felt good enough to jump all in.
Warframe works fine on linux, just saying
hah, respect, but I play Warzone with some cousins who are on console. (Actually I just searched, and I didn’t realize Warframe had crossplay now! I might have to at least get them to give it a shot, thanks for the mention!)
Oh I may have misread the comment, apologies
Nah you’re good. I’m absolutely going to suggest we give Warframe a try. And if we get off of Warzone, maybe I’ll end up moving sooner rather than later.
I’m not really a tech guy at all and I let these nerds talk me into trying Linux Mint, I haven’t bothered with Windows 10 for several months now. There was some frustrating troubleshooting at first but once the settings are tweaked how you like them, the updates don’t negate your tweaks like with Microsoft. I’m sure there’s a lot of functionality I’m not maximizing but I don’t feel the need to. I got my productivity stuff figured out, my game stuff figured out, the last thing I really need to get sorted is why my printer is being such a wiener but I use it so sparingly that there’s not much motivation to mess with that. I did dual boot for a while so I wouldn’t feel overwhelmingly stupid when it came to Linux, so I was able to familiarize myself with the new setup at my pace and that helped quite a bit I think. No harm in going that route, then you can see what happens with Warzone before fully taking the plunge
I actually used Mint for about a year a decade ago, and really liked it then. What made me switch back was the gaming. That said, I hear gaming on Linux has just gotten better and better; just like people in this thread are saying. Whenever I get around to putting together a new PC I’ll probably either dump something Linux on this one or dual boot myself. Sadly I don’t expect Activision to really support it. But hey, Lord knows I’ve been wrong before. (And yeah, printers are often kinda universally assholes though; that we all know.)
Admittedly, I don’t play any games with anti-cheat, but my linux gaming experience over the past two years or so has been outstanding. I don’t believe I have encountered a single game that I have wanted to play, but could not. And 99.9% of them work without any tweaking required.
Warzone player here, I actually had to switch back to windows after like 3 years on mint because of this sadly.
Seriously i hope it stays like that, i don’t want to bother with viruses in the future
…security by obscurity? Guess when Linux finally explodes in popularity, you’ll see me over on FreeBSD instead
In what way does “security by obscurity” apply here?
fewer consumer targeting Linux viruses because smol usr base
I see. That’s not what “security by obscurity” means in my world, but the expression certainly sounds like it could. It’s not like I own the meaning of words, so it’s interesting to hear what it means to others. Could also have been meant figuratively, I suppose.
I meant it in the sense of using an obscure operating system to be less likely to be targeted by a threat actor.
Or to be more general, using obscure software for increased security, over actually correctly configuring and using secure software.
Viruses already exist for Linux and have for a long time. They are less prevalent than Windows but this obviously shouldn’t be the primary defense strategy for your device.
Converted one of my gaming PC SSDs to a Linux disk. and I’m so amazed how well it just works with proton.
When a have some time I’m going to fully convert it to Linux, with a small Windows VM for the 1-2 tools I sometimes need
Yeah dude!
I’m relatively new to Linux, so I don’t really have any experience pre-proton. But I get the feeling that there are TONS of people who haven’t tried it in years, that truly do not understand how far it has come. I’m sure they’ve heard that before, etc., but I can say that it’s 100% true this time.
If you haven’t tried gaming on Linux since before the Steam Deck came out, I implore you to give it another shot. Even better if you use a gaming-oriented distro (I’m on Bazzite now, and it has been wonderful).
yeah, proton is amazing.
I’m using linux for 17 years or so, and just kept my gaming rig as my only windows machine.
Gaming on linux was super hit or miss. Sometimes wine (at its forks) worked nicely, sometime it was unusable.
It got a LOT better when everyone started using unity and unreal, as they have native linux compatibility, but proton now closed the gap nicely
Whelp, I ain’t helping the cause. I might be running Fedora on both my computers, but I can’t be bothered to game.
FreeDoom isn’t a game, it’s a lifestyle
How do I take the survey? I never seem to get the popup.
Random users are asked each month. If you get chosen you’ll get a popup in the Steam client asking if you’d like to participate.
Yep! And it’s per account. Both of my Linux machines are in this months data!
Weird that it’d be random when they could just ask every user. Would give a more accurate breakdown on certain categories.
That might bias the results towards gaming cafes and people building test machines. Cases where an account is used but a single snapshot doesn’t necessarily reflect what they normally use or that would capture the same machine multiple times.
I think Steam automatically uploads your hardware and software spec
(Only certain users, and only if you consent)
Ok, so a blue username normally means OP, a green one means mod. What the heck is a red username?
Instance admin.
Year of the Linux desktop is nigh.
Well I finally move to a full time Linux desktop on my PC this year
We did it!
Especially since Windows 10 starts retirement in a year, and a lot of PC’s aren’t compatible with Windows 11
I have two computers that I attempt to install Windows 11 on just out of curiosity. My old gaming rig which has a motherboard from I would think 2016 (technically the entire computer is from 2010 but other than the case I don’t think any component is that old) can install Windows 11. A laptop I got in 2019 can’t install it. How does that work?
Ditto. Windows is now impossible to decrapify. Have dipped my toe in Linux gaming about a half dozen times starting in 2004 but it never felt ready til now. Proton, nvidia drivers and distros like Nobara making it not just possible but a better experience.
Year of the ReactOS Desktop!
There are dozens of us!
Coincidentally last month I got the survey for the first time since I switched to Linux a decade ago.
YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP